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Plus all their little things like insurance and health just get rid of all the massive money wasters. Like TV, PC, Hi-Fi Speakers and even Cameras. They may make premium ones for their movie studios but thats about it.



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spemanig said:

Okay, this needs to die here. Sony's gaming division is not in a good position for eighth gen. The PS4 is. The Vita still is and continues to be a money losing flop. You don't get to just ignore half of the playstation's gaming division. The Vita is a failure. That's like saying that Nintendo is in a "good position for the 8th gen" because the 3DS is doing well. No. They aren't.

Hehehe... I guess an opnion can't get any more twisted than that. You are wrong though and here's why.

Sony's gaming division (Playstation) is made up of PSV, PS3 and PS4 right now. IIRC thse are the only platforms they still have in production right now. Samsungs Mobile division is made up of the Galaxy S, Note, tab, mini, duo, ace, grand...etc. Now just like samsung, it doesn't matter if one arm of sony's gaming divison isn't successful (in this case the vita) because at the end of every fiscal year, sony's game divison records a profit. Kinda like how in that list of samsung devices, the duo, ace and grand are nowhere near as successful as the S, note and tab ranges but the successes from the other devices are enough to carry samsung into mobile profitability.

Same way you say you don't get to ignore half, is the same way you don't get to ignore that the overall playstation division is doing great, even if its on the back of two out of the three platforms supported. 

If you wanna talk business then talk business like an investor not like a gamer. And in business its simple, if Playstation was  a seperate entity of sony, then the question for an investor will be, is the brand profitable? And the answer would be a resounding yes. That is a fact. 



Their revenue is actually pretty healthy. They made an operating profit in the last FY, they are just taking major write down hits. And that was with the gaming division being in a negative revenue situation, which you'd expect with the new console. If they can keep PS4 at $399 (and equivalent or higher in the rest of the world) and have solid hardware sales through the whole year then gaming should be a pretty good contributor to positive cashflow.

If the stars align for them (which would include improved Vita sales after a price cut), then they could make a small profit in FY15.



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binary solo said:
Their revenue is actually pretty healthy. They made an operating profit in the last FY, they are just taking major write down hits. And that was with the gaming division being in a negative revenue situation, which you'd expect with the new console. If they can keep PS4 at $399 (and equivalent or higher in the rest of the world) and have solid hardware sales through the whole year then gaming should be a pretty good contributor to positive cashflow.

If the stars align for them (which would include improved Vita sales after a price cut), then they could make a small profit in FY15.

They are forcasting a net lot for FY 2015. They are anticipating lost above and beyond normal operational expenses due to even further restructuring efforts and I remain skeptical of a FY 2016 profit. They know what direction they need to go but the rot is deep and getting rid of it is cutting into a pound of flesh.




mutantsushi said:
think-man said:
What ever it takes I guess, they can't go on bleeding money forever.

Like the article says, the only reason they posted a loss was because of restructuring charges. 
More restructuring would just carry more charges.
The aim of the "activist investor" pushing total breakup is not boosting profits, it is a better valuation on paper.
I don't see why Sony is obligated to that perspective in anyway, they are obligated to pursue profits and growth,
but however investors wish to valuate Sony based on it's published numbers, is the investor's own business,
Sony's obliation to owners is to produce profit, not to achieve theoretical rankings.
The only benefit of boosting their valuation is to speculators who then sell,
those who buy at curretn cheaper price get better earnings/price ratio with current set up, and post structuring Sony looks profitable.

EXACTLY!, Sony's Board already gave them the Answer! of taking the entertainment arm public, and it was a big fat No!

the most outspoken investors that want this break up to happen is "west centric" holding firms, not japanese, again if 40 d@mn straight years of How the japanese market has operated as proof, that Most of the time the west held "investment hedge funds" its seen as "vulture" aggressive action, and despite the big bellowing of the west centric investors that have billion's $ Hedge fund investment's, the japanese view this type of agressive as not being very friendly to the mainly "employed Japanese" and since most of these west hedge fund holding companies are not mainly Japanese themselves they do not really grasp the culture to dictate what is best for Japan!

To many they see this as you are being to quick to not give the "japanese" in charge the right to change the course of the company, and if that takes more time and more loss, than so be it, they look at it as japanese know what's best for japan! if you are not japanese than you really cannot be as viable to dictate japanese life. Even if the west centric holdings can in fact run it better the mostly japanese people in charge do not see it that way.

Until that culture Dynamic changes, it will not change, and if 40 years straight is anything to go by its not changing anytime soon, recent response to dan loeb's asking of the entertainment arm to go public is proof enough, the entire board voted with all member's voting a No on a public offering of any part of the entertainment arm. this percieved "pressure" building is pretty much a soft wind, because its been building up for over 9 d@mn years straight with over 9+ freaking billions lost , and yet it has not pushed the board to really change the way they want, the board is choosing to change the way the board wants to take the company.

pretty much the entire board would have to be displaced at this point, and well that's very unlikely to ever happen!



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kowenicki said:
maverick40 said:
kowenicki said:

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Never going to happen, the Japanese govenment won't let it

oh and to all the armchair CEO's and CFO's in this thread:


Ok.  They wont let them fail?  Care to explain to me how that fits in with Abe's plans and the macro economic policy plan he has been following the last two years?

to all the armchair macro economic politicians out there....

I await your detailed answer.

If you think that it is impossible for people here not to understand companies and their accounts then perhaps you should stop overlaying your own lack of knowledge and experience in this field on everyone else.THE LAST D@mn 40 straight years is proof enough!

Just because you want japan to be like the . West for mergers an acquisitions does not mean it will. You have been claiming for the all of last year Dan loeb, will get his way and that Sony will have no choice, and the board completely an quite handedly said with all the board members with each of board member all of them said no!

If this was to go to the japanese court again past history shows the court will side with the board 9 times out of 10.

 

Dealing with the market in japan is not like it is in the west. NO matter how much you wish it to be its not.

 

History's already shown this.



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Intrinsic said:
spemanig said:

Okay, this needs to die here. Sony's gaming division is not in a good position for eighth gen. The PS4 is. The Vita still is and continues to be a money losing flop. You don't get to just ignore half of the playstation's gaming division. The Vita is a failure. That's like saying that Nintendo is in a "good position for the 8th gen" because the 3DS is doing well. No. They aren't.

Hehehe... I guess an opnion can't get any more twisted than that. You are wrong though and here's why.

Sony's gaming division (Playstation) is made up of PSV, PS3 and PS4 right now. IIRC thse are the only platforms they still have in production right now. Samsungs Mobile division is made up of the Galaxy S, Note, tab, mini, duo, ace, grand...etc. Now just like samsung, it doesn't matter if one arm of sony's gaming divison isn't successful (in this case the vita) because at the end of every fiscal year, sony's game divison records a profit. Kinda like how in that list of samsung devices, the duo, ace and grand are nowhere near as successful as the S, note and tab ranges but the successes from the other devices are enough to carry samsung into mobile profitability.

Same way you say you don't get to ignore half, is the same way you don't get to ignore that the overall playstation division is doing great, even if its on the back of two out of the three platforms supported. 

If you wanna talk business then talk business like an investor not like a gamer. And in business its simple, if Playstation was  a seperate entity of sony, then the question for an investor will be, is the brand profitable? And the answer would be a resounding yes. That is a fact. 


The point was the 8th gen, not overall. The Playstation brand is not in a "great position" for the 8th gen.

My point still stands. Sony's 8th gen gaming devision is half failing. That is a fact.



so ditch the one area that could make money.... fucking dumbass anal-yst.



 

More anti-Sony propoganda? 

2006: Sony's Gonna go bankrupt!

2008: Man, Sony's got no chance of surviving next year

2010: Sony give up its no use!

2012: Sony is bleeding money!

2014: Sony should just split apart

2016: Sony gonna go bankrupt

20XX: Oh, no Sony's got no chance!



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LiquorandGunFun said:
so ditch the one area that could make money.... fucking dumbass anal-yst.


Its not dumb, its pretty smart, they want to be able to have . The Entertainment arm of Sony go public for buy in, which at it is right now it is not for public buy in for Stock, and which Sony's board of directors already gave the  A: to such a request it was a resounding No!

This is quite clear that even today right now the Board of Directors has politely stated a No on a ipo of the entertainment arm of Sony.

And with d@mn near 8 million sold, with ps+ and what PSnow subscription can generate is it no wonder along with movies tv shows and music subscription that Sony has said no on an ipo of the entertainment arm of Sony, no fox in the hen house type of thing. 



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.