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nitekrawler1285 on 11 May 2014
sc94597 said:

That wasn't the point of DolPhanTendo's post though. A lot of people are beaten up and assaulted for a variety of reasons, some superficial others more rational. While all people have the right to not be assaulted (for whatever reason), it is not the right of any person to demand inclusion in private activites, groups, business, or property. There is a right for all people to freely association with whomever they wish to. I say this as a gay/bisexual/mostly attracted to men (whatever you wanna call it) male, I oppose the sentiment among certain gays that using force to get somebody to bake you a cake or to get Nintendo to include same-sex partners in a game is moral. It removes Nintendo or the bakery's right to property and right to freely associate with whomever these groups wish to, even more in the case of Nintendo -- it intereferes with Nintendo's right to free speech if the government were to determine which content must or mustn't exist in the game. There is no right to a cake nor is there a right to a game that represents your, particular, individual life. I do understand though if potential customers want to bring it to Nintendo's attention that they feel excluded by a game they think they'd enjoy, which it seems the OP is speaking about. That is fine. That is the market at work. But this isn't a matter of rights, which some in this thread - in particular - have claimed. It is a matter of a private business appealing to consumers, and what it should do to reach certain markets in the future. 

Who is demanding anything? Miiquality specfically is a request.  

This is a game forum.  Many people request features and content for games.  Miiquality is being no more demanding than forum users asking for a game at 1080P and 60FPS or to include different gameplay mechanics or content. Miiquality has done so in a far more polite and repsectful manner than any of those other groups on our forum so I don't see why it's characterized as violent or some incredulous demand. 

If you really want to have a conversation about this it would be a good start to stop making it seem as if there is some gay mafia with pink pistols being held to the head of videogame creators because of there rights. Such a situation clearly does not exist.  There is and always will be discourse between consumers of products and people making them.  Wether there is any new inclusion because of that is still entirely up to said creators irrespective of any such dialogue.    

No one hear has said it's a customers right to have what they have requested make it's way into a video game. If you want to argue at least argue with points people are actually making.   



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Kane1389 on 11 May 2014
naruball said:
Kane1389 said:
curl-6 said:
DolPhanTendo said:

Do have any clue what a right is? A right is being able to walk down the street without getting assualted or beating by any man or government, not forcing someone to change a game or a make them a cake. Go play SIMs or Go to another store that will make the cake

Gays are frequently beaten up and assaulted in the streets for being gay.


Only when they run their mouth too much by insulting and disrespecting the general population. No one is attacking them just for being what they are. They are being attacked because they believe they are allowed to take a shit on people's beliefs,culture, religion and tradition 


I guess the way you're running your mouth you're taking a shit on my beliefs at the moment, so I guess that gives me the right to beat you up, right? Lovely way of seeing things. What kind of religion allows beating up people? Because as a Christian I know that you simply can't do that. 


I didn't say it gives them the right, I said thats the reason they do it. Enough with the strawman arguments already. 

And I didn't say their reasoning comes from their religion either. Why are you twisting my words?



Kane1389 on 11 May 2014
curl-6 said:
Kane1389 said:
curl-6 said:
DolPhanTendo said:

Do have any clue what a right is? A right is being able to walk down the street without getting assualted or beating by any man or government, not forcing someone to change a game or a make them a cake. Go play SIMs or Go to another store that will make the cake

Gays are frequently beaten up and assaulted in the streets for being gay.


Only when they run their mouth too much by insulting and disrespecting the general population. No one is attacking them just for being what they are. They are being attacked because they believe they are allowed to take a shit on people's beliefs,culture, religion and tradition 

You're running your mouth and disrespecting them, does that give them the right to kick your ass?

If your traditions and culture mean assaulting those who disagree, then your traditions and cultures are fascist and inhumane.


I didn't say anything about anyone having any rights to beat up someone.  Nor did I say that they do it of cultural or religious reasons. You are purposefully misinterpreting my post to make it easier to attack with your strawnan arguments



Kane1389 on 11 May 2014
bouzane said:
Kane1389 said:
curl-6 said:
DolPhanTendo said:

Do have any clue what a right is? A right is being able to walk down the street without getting assualted or beating by any man or government, not forcing someone to change a game or a make them a cake. Go play SIMs or Go to another store that will make the cake

Gays are frequently beaten up and assaulted in the streets for being gay.


Only when they run their mouth too much by insulting and disrespecting the general population. No one is attacking them just for being what they are. They are being attacked because they believe they are allowed to take a shit on people's beliefs,culture, religion and tradition 


Do you read the nonsense you type before you post it?

I waz just telling the truth like it is, sorry if it doesn't fit with your mary little world



naruball on 11 May 2014
Kane1389 said:
naruball said:
Kane1389 said:

 

Only when they run their mouth too much by insulting and disrespecting the general population. No one is attacking them just for being what they are. They are being attacked because they believe they are allowed to take a shit on people's beliefs,culture, religion and tradition 


I guess the way you're running your mouth you're taking a shit on my beliefs at the moment, so I guess that gives me the right to beat you up, right? Lovely way of seeing things. What kind of religion allows beating up people? Because as a Christian I know that you simply can't do that. 


I didn't say it gives them the right, I said thats the reason they do it. Enough with the strawman arguments already. 

And I didn't say their reasoning comes from their religion either. Why are you twisting my words?

Oh, most definitely strawman arguments. Please tell me more how what you posted is not insanely offensive in every way imaginable. There is absolutely no way to defend it and you know it.



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Kane1389 on 11 May 2014
naruball said:
Kane1389 said:
naruball said:
Kane1389 said:
 



 

Only when they run their mouth too much by insulting and disrespecting the general population. No one is attacking them just for being what they are. They are being attacked because they believe they are allowed to take a shit on people's beliefs,culture, religion and tradition 


I guess the way you're running your mouth you're taking a shit on my beliefs at the moment, so I guess that gives me the right to beat you up, right? Lovely way of seeing things. What kind of religion allows beating up people? Because as a Christian I know that you simply can't do that. 


I didn't say it gives them the right, I said thats the reason they do it. Enough with the strawman arguments already. 

And I didn't say their reasoning comes from their religion either. Why are you twisting my words?

Oh, most definitely strawman arguments. Please tell me more how what you posted is not insanely offensive in every way imaginable. There is absolutely no way to defend it and you know it.


Defened what? I wasnt making opinionated statement, I was stating a fact which doesn't need to be defended.Gays mostly get attacked either when they are deemed too flamboyant or when they try to change majority approved laws/culture.

Sorry if you find reality offensive



naruball on 11 May 2014
Kane1389 said:


Defened what? I wasnt making opinionated statement, I was stating a fact which doesn't need to be defended.Gays mostly get attacked either when they are deemed too flamboyant or when they try to change majority approved laws/culture.

Sorry if you find reality offensive

Dude. Read what you wrote:


"they believe they are allowed to take a shit on people's beliefs,culture, religion and tradition"

This is by no means a fact. This is your judgemental opinion. Now either look up the definition of "fact" or ask a teacher/tutor/lecturer/friend with substantial education what it means.



Majora on 11 May 2014
Kane1389 said:
naruball said:
Kane1389 said:
naruball said:
Kane1389 said:
 



 

Only when they run their mouth too much by insulting and disrespecting the general population. No one is attacking them just for being what they are. They are being attacked because they believe they are allowed to take a shit on people's beliefs,culture, religion and tradition 


I guess the way you're running your mouth you're taking a shit on my beliefs at the moment, so I guess that gives me the right to beat you up, right? Lovely way of seeing things. What kind of religion allows beating up people? Because as a Christian I know that you simply can't do that. 


I didn't say it gives them the right, I said thats the reason they do it. Enough with the strawman arguments already. 

And I didn't say their reasoning comes from their religion either. Why are you twisting my words?

Oh, most definitely strawman arguments. Please tell me more how what you posted is not insanely offensive in every way imaginable. There is absolutely no way to defend it and you know it.


Defened what? I wasnt making opinionated statement, I was stating a fact which doesn't need to be defended.Gays mostly get attacked either when they are deemed too flamboyant or when they try to change majority approved laws/culture.

Sorry if you find reality offensive

Ok, ok, let's get this straight (oh, the irony). So if someone's behaviour is offensive to someone, in your example somebody being flamboyant, and in my example somebody being an asshole (ahem) they should expect to get beaten up. Also, with regards to law and culture, both are fluid, and change/update accordingly. I hate to break it to you, but the laws and culture of today are very different to 100 years ago. Rules change and goal posts move as society evolves. It's good for you because it means even bigots get their say under the "freedom of speech" banner :)



ICStats on 11 May 2014
Majora said:

Ok, ok, let's get this straight (oh, the irony). So if someone's behaviour is offensive to someone, in your example somebody being flamboyant, and in my example somebody being an asshole (ahem) they should expect to get beaten up. Also, with regards to law and culture, both are fluid, and change/update accordingly. I hate to break it to you, but the laws and culture of today are very different to 100 years ago. Rules change and goal posts move as society evolves. It's good for you because it means even bigots get their say under the "freedom of speech" banner :)

I'm not sure he was saying you should rightfully expect to be beaten up.  They have no right to beat you up, but it might happen.  There's a difference in saying why something happens, and being a supporter of that.

Like if a person irritates some gangsters they are putting themself in danger of assault or death.  That's not saying they have a right to assault or kill you; it's saying that they are asking for it by irritating that kind of group.  I hope you understand the difference... there behaviors that are 100% in the right, but dangerous and stupid.

So the thing is (I believe) that 95%+ of society will not assault someone for being flamboyant or an a-hole, but there are always some % who might for that reason.



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naruball on 11 May 2014
ICStats said:

I'm not sure he was saying you should rightfully expect to be beaten up.  They have no right to beat you up, but it might happen.  There's a difference in saying why something happens, and being a supporter of that.

Like if a person irritates some gangsters they are putting themself in danger of assault or death.  That's not saying they have a right to assault or kill you; it's saying that they are asking for it by irritating that kind of group.  I hope you understand the difference... there behaviors that are 100% in the right, but dangerous and stupid.

So the thing is (I believe) that 95%+ of society will not assault someone for being flamboyant or an a-hole, but there are always some % who might for that reason.

That's not what he's saying.

"They are being attacked because they believe they are allowed to take a shit on people's beliefs,culture, religion and tradition"

is like saying

"Girls who are raped believe they are allowed to act like whores and flaunt their tits and asses with their skimpy outfits". This is not stating a possibility, but passing judgement. By saying that gays take a shit on people's religion by being flaboyant is like saying that rape victims provoke their rapists. Neither sentence is a fact and both statements are incredibly offensive.