This almost made me go buy a WiiU !!  <3

Would you mind counting them for me please? I would like to know the games poly/sec but I myself am unable to count individual polygons from that screenshot.

I don't believe you can have a conversation about graphics without including performance in the discussion. Anyone can make a game that looks pretty in screenshots but that frequently falls below 20 fps and suffers from rampant screen tearing and the like, and many developers do in fact make such games.

Part of what makes Mario Kart 8 technically impressive is its locked high frame rate even during 2-player splitscreen, all while the Wii U is wirelessly streaming a video feed to a second screen at a higher refresh rate than many HDTVs.

Anyone who is attempting to argue that Mario Kart 8 is graphically impressive purely on the basis of its character models, textures, and lighting is making a terrible error.

Mario Kart by raw graphics is not in the same league as games like Driveclub, that doesn't really matter though the game looks great enough to be a next gen title and it's going to be fun.

But 4k res games running at 5fps make for some amazing screenshots and are super fun to play!

Like i said to someone else, it's not a genuine comparison. I'm just using DC and MK8 as points of reference for comparison of the universal graphical aspects of almost all 3D games, such as the polygon counts, textures, AA, AF etc. For example I wouldn't criticize MK8 for not having realistic road textures, but i would criticize it for them being low rez/murky.

As an overall package i do find MK8 a lot more pleasing on the eyes than DC, but this was a comparison of the technical side of things. The thread was primarily about the willful ignorance of some Nintendo fans here, which wasn't much of an issue during the 7th gen.

In the 7th gen Nintendo had to rely on art direction to make their games look great. When the WiiU was released i was exited to see how good a game could look with a combination of Nintendo's artistic skill and high end console graphics. It's a hope that started with 3D Mario then moved to MK8 and now lays in the hands of Zelda >.< 

Regardless to my ranting, MK8 itself will no doubt be great ^^

Why don't we compare Pixar's The Incredibles to Marvel's Avengers while we're at it?

For the sake of simplicity, in this thread:

Graphics: The polygon counts, anti aliasing, anisotropic filtering, shading, shadows, textures and so forth. 

Performance: Frame rate, resolution, screen tearing.

Art direction: Kind of speaks for itself. 

Something like MK8 excels in performance and art direction, but is lacking graphically. It seems to be the opinion of some Nintendo fans that MK8 is a graphical, performance and artistic power house, which is frankly not true. The limitations of static console hardware essentially means that the developer has to swap between graphics and performance, so believing any game excels in all three is willful ignorance.

Just like how you could say MK8 is lacking graphically, but excels in performance, you could likewise say DC excels graphically, but is lacking in performance. Just pinpointing out nothing can hit the full potential of both ^^ People will then also debate about what balance of the two works best for what types of games, but this isn't the place for that type of discussion.

I'm 32, many of my friends are nearing 40, and last year we had a lot of fun with Mario Kart Wii. Don't play the "grown up"-card as it is wrong. Nintendo was, is and will always target the whole family and they had quite a success with it.

Can't believe people bring DC into play here. No one was ever questioning PS4 having better hardware and also considering DC is 30fps which alone gives the game twice the time to render a frame is just laughable, even by VGChartz standards.