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Cut the price to $199 since it's far less than half as powerful as the 8th Gen lead console the PS4 which only costs $100 more than Wii U does now and release some solid games that appeal to core gamers and maybe try to convince Rockstar to bring a port of GTA V over.



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The Question that Nintendo needs to answer both tech and gamewise is how come the Xbox One is selling so well at $500, maybe not the best but much better than Wii U, with their own gimicky controller yet Wii U doesn't. 



zorg1000 said:
small44 said:
UltimateUnknown said:
small44 said:
Why not a powerful and innovative console

Probably because it would cost a metric ton to make. Can you imagine how much it would cost to make the Wii U if it was on par with the PS4 in terms of specs AND had the gamepad as its controller?


aren't the wii u sold at 300 dollars at launch if it was more powerfull it could be sold at 400-450 dollars and it will encourage 3rd party to support it and then it will attract both hardcore gamers who like graphics and casuals who want innovative things.

Wii U is selling poorly at $300, with a $400+ price tag it would be lucky to sell 20k per week.

It would not encourage 3rd parties, multiplat games very rarely sell well on Nintendo consoles, its been that way for going on 20 years now. Increasing power wont all of a sudden cause 3rd parties to jump on board or the PS/Xbox crowd to jump on board either.

Ur scenario is basically Wii U, trying to chase down both hardcore and casual gamers but failing hard at both, only this is worse because the price is $100-150 more expensive.

 

The Question that Nintendo needs to answer both tech and gamewise is how come the Xbox One is selling so well at $500, maybe not the best but much better than Wii U, with their own gimmicky controller yet Wii U doesn't.  And in addition to that, it has the outstanding third party support that Nintendo doesn't.  Why do you think that is, Ninty? 



Also, one reason Wii U isn't selling much better right now is because its price versus what you get with PS4 for just $100 more looks very arrogant on Ninyendo's part for what they're offering with the system tech wise. True, the 3DS is doing much better versus Vita which is a similar situation tech and price wise, but the one thing Nintendo did with 3DS that they didn't with Wii U? They locked down third party support on the handheld in a way they just couldn't do on console with the third parties knowing the bigger and better per the top third party console developers requirements One and 4 were on the way.

 

And then there will be those that will say just look at what Wii did last gen and at how they dominated the 7th Gen.  But did they really?  100,000,000 Million Wiis sold and the console became virtually obsolete two years ago.  160,000,000+ of the HD Twins sold, and they're still going fairly decently with some big games still on the way for both.  Now, the HD Twins might not have exactly come out the winners last gen ( yet ), but the third parties on those consoles certainly were versus Nintendo.



TheLastStarFighter said:
oniyide said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
They need a product which seems cool and software that provides value.

The first part is a major problem with Wii U. Wii's style and brand was fresh at release. 6 years later it wasn't. Wii U should have gone in a whole new design, one that appealed to people who want the latest thing. By the time Wii U's life is done it will be wearing clothes more than a decade old.

The second problem can only be solved by Nintendo acquiring more 1st/2nd party studios or gaining 3rd party support. A Nintendo console with full 3rd party backing would be an extremely compelling sell. Certain 3rd parties don't want Nintendo in the console business, however, so that's easier said than done. Picking up two large studios, ones that can produce one AAA a year each, would help address the issue, especially if they were making games in genres such as shooters, RPGs, racing sims and mature adventure titles - and making them well. As it stands, Nintendo simply does not have the amount of software and the software diversity to compete with MS and Sony for many gamers. They need to expand or woo 3rd parties in a big way.

what was the lastest thing? Exactly, you CANT replicate the WIi every gen, thats impossible

You missunderstood.  I wasn't saying that they needed the latest idea like motion controls.  I was saying they needed to LOOK like they did.  Wii's look was fresh back in '06.  No other console had the simple white design, clear buttons, small from, etc.  PS360 looked tacky by comparisson.  The name as well, Wii, was strange and catchy.

Wii U was not fresh or different.  The design language is 8 years old.  Even if all it was inside was the Wii U, and it still had the tablet controlelr, if they gave it a new name like, I don't know, the Zhuio or some other messed up shit, and it had a fresh modern look - perhaps brushed alluminum or glass accents, more LED lighting or some other modern trend, casual byers may have looked at it like a fresh product.  The tablet, too, looks low-tech compared to iPads.  The look of the system needs to be fresh and cool.

There are other flaws with Wii U, too, but the major short comings are image and software support.  If Nintendo wants to reclaim the sales lead in the future, they need a more diverse software lineup and a fresh-looking system and branding (with marketing).


im sorry but no, I think you are giving way too much credit to how the system looked. Lets be real, the Wii moved cause of the motion controls, it doesnt matter what the box looked like. Do you really think the WIi would have done just as well if it looked the same without the motion controls? Nope by that logic GC woudl have done better it was smaller after all.  The public isnt that gullible. No Ninty is going to need a new motion control thing to win. SOmething to grab everyone.



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EdHieron said:

The Question that Nintendo needs to answer both tech and gamewise is how come the Xbox One is selling so well at $500, maybe not the best but much better than Wii U, with their own gimicky controller yet Wii U doesn't. 


its simple the general public takes the xbox brand more seriously than the Ninty brand



oniyide said:
TheLastStarFighter said:

You missunderstood.  I wasn't saying that they needed the latest idea like motion controls.  I was saying they needed to LOOK like they did.  Wii's look was fresh back in '06.  No other console had the simple white design, clear buttons, small from, etc.  PS360 looked tacky by comparisson.  The name as well, Wii, was strange and catchy.

Wii U was not fresh or different.  The design language is 8 years old.  Even if all it was inside was the Wii U, and it still had the tablet controlelr, if they gave it a new name like, I don't know, the Zhuio or some other messed up shit, and it had a fresh modern look - perhaps brushed alluminum or glass accents, more LED lighting or some other modern trend, casual byers may have looked at it like a fresh product.  The tablet, too, looks low-tech compared to iPads.  The look of the system needs to be fresh and cool.

There are other flaws with Wii U, too, but the major short comings are image and software support.  If Nintendo wants to reclaim the sales lead in the future, they need a more diverse software lineup and a fresh-looking system and branding (with marketing).


im sorry but no, I think you are giving way too much credit to how the system looked. Lets be real, the Wii moved cause of the motion controls, it doesnt matter what the box looked like. Do you really think the WIi would have done just as well if it looked the same without the motion controls? Nope by that logic GC woudl have done better it was smaller after all.  The public isnt that gullible. No Ninty is going to need a new motion control thing to win. SOmething to grab everyone.


Again you misunderstand words or you add content that isn't there.  I never said Wii would have been as successful without motion controls.  I'm saying Wii U would be doing better if it had a fresh design and concept, as well as better content. And yes, GC would have done better if was a better looking machine and not a purple lunch box with child-size discs... and if it had better content.

There many ways Nintendo could take the lead in the industry again.  One way would be to  come up with the next big innovation or craze.  But that's easier said than done.

A more attainable way is to release a system with a cool name, that looks cool, with a few simple new cool features and a solid lineup of titles.  Release it with Mario Galaxy 3 and a mature Zelda, buy a couple western devs to make a racing sim and a shooter and contract Mistwalker to make a FF clone.  Release it all at a solid price and do whatever it takes to ensure 3rd party support is fully behind it, and market it to adults as well as children.  Do that and the system will be competitive.  Not saying on top, but it would have a shot.



TheLastStarFighter said:
oniyide said:
TheLastStarFighter said:

You missunderstood.  I wasn't saying that they needed the latest idea like motion controls.  I was saying they needed to LOOK like they did.  Wii's look was fresh back in '06.  No other console had the simple white design, clear buttons, small from, etc.  PS360 looked tacky by comparisson.  The name as well, Wii, was strange and catchy.

Wii U was not fresh or different.  The design language is 8 years old.  Even if all it was inside was the Wii U, and it still had the tablet controlelr, if they gave it a new name like, I don't know, the Zhuio or some other messed up shit, and it had a fresh modern look - perhaps brushed alluminum or glass accents, more LED lighting or some other modern trend, casual byers may have looked at it like a fresh product.  The tablet, too, looks low-tech compared to iPads.  The look of the system needs to be fresh and cool.

There are other flaws with Wii U, too, but the major short comings are image and software support.  If Nintendo wants to reclaim the sales lead in the future, they need a more diverse software lineup and a fresh-looking system and branding (with marketing).


im sorry but no, I think you are giving way too much credit to how the system looked. Lets be real, the Wii moved cause of the motion controls, it doesnt matter what the box looked like. Do you really think the WIi would have done just as well if it looked the same without the motion controls? Nope by that logic GC woudl have done better it was smaller after all.  The public isnt that gullible. No Ninty is going to need a new motion control thing to win. SOmething to grab everyone.


Again you misunderstand words or you add content that isn't there.  I never said Wii would have been as successful without motion controls.  I'm saying Wii U would be doing better if it had a fresh design and concept, as well as better content. And yes, GC would have done better if was a better looking machine and not a purple lunch box with child-size discs... and if it had better content.

There many ways Nintendo could take the lead in the industry again.  One way would be to  come up with the next big innovation or craze.  But that's easier said than done.

A more attainable way is to release a system with a cool name, that looks cool, with a few simple new cool features and a solid lineup of titles.  Release it with Mario Galaxy 3 and a mature Zelda, buy a couple western devs to make a racing sim and a shooter and contract Mistwalker to make a FF clone.  Release it all at a solid price and do whatever it takes to ensure 3rd party support is fully behind it, and market it to adults as well as children.  Do that and the system will be competitive.  Not saying on top, but it would have a shot.

@bolded. thats what ive been saying. BUT IMHO that is the ONLY way they can win. There is only so much they can do. They can either take the bolded route which was WIi or they can go Sony MS route which has been proven time and time again they can NOT beat them at that game.

The OP didnt ask how they can be competitive but how they can WIN, period. You have some solid ideas, but imo they are easier said than done and even then we still cant gaurantee that they would win.

As for GC fair enough it would have done better with a different design, possibly, but again that doesn mean they would have won, they could have added an additional 10 mil sold and that still would have been nothing against PS2



TheLastStarFighter said:
oniyide said:
TheLastStarFighter said:

A more attainable way is to release a system with a cool name, that looks cool, with a few simple new cool features and a solid lineup of titles.  Release it with Mario Galaxy 3 and a mature Zelda, buy a couple western devs to make a racing sim and a shooter and contract Mistwalker to make a FF clone.  Release it all at a solid price and do whatever it takes to ensure 3rd party support is fully behind it, and market it to adults as well as children.  Do that and the system will be competitive.  Not saying on top, but it would have a shot.

The problem with this idea is that this would position Nintendo directly up against Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo would be trying to compete for the same crowd those two companies are competing for. And we have seen time and time again that Nintendo just can't compete for that crowd. The N64 and GC both attempted this, but both were unsuccessful. The only people who bought those consoles were hardcore Nintendo fans, who also bought the Wii and Wii U and will buy any console Nintendo releases to play their games. But as we saw from N64 and GC sales, these hardcore fans are not enough to make them win, which should be obvious.

The only time Nintendo won was when they went after a completely different market than Sony and MS, the parents/grandparents (or casuals). This led to the success of the Wii. But the problem with this market is that it is very volatile and repeating that success is going to be an absolute challenge, as evident from the Wii U.

Sony and MS on the other hand have two sets of audience that do return for every iteration, their own hardcore fans just like Nintendo's who will buy any console each company makes to play their games. But they also have the "mid-core", those who make up the majority of the console's userbase and don't have a strong brand loyalty, but still like to play traditional big name games with friends, i.e. COD, GTA, etc. Any previous attempts by Nintendo in bringing over this mid-core from Sony/MS has not worked and I don't see how it can work in the future without 3rd party and in general a variety of genres in 1st party games that appeal to this audience.



 

TheLastStarFighter said:
oniyide said:


im sorry but no, I think you are giving way too much credit to how the system looked. Lets be real, the Wii moved cause of the motion controls, it doesnt matter what the box looked like. Do you really think the WIi would have done just as well if it looked the same without the motion controls? Nope by that logic GC woudl have done better it was smaller after all.  The public isnt that gullible. No Ninty is going to need a new motion control thing to win. SOmething to grab everyone.


Again you misunderstand words or you add content that isn't there.  I never said Wii would have been as successful without motion controls.  I'm saying Wii U would be doing better if it had a fresh design and concept, as well as better content. And yes, GC would have done better if was a better looking machine and not a purple lunch box with child-size discs... and if it had better content.

There many ways Nintendo could take the lead in the industry again.  One way would be to  come up with the next big innovation or craze.  But that's easier said than done.

A more attainable way is to release a system with a cool name, that looks cool, with a few simple new cool features and a solid lineup of titles.  Release it with Mario Galaxy 3 and a mature Zelda, buy a couple western devs to make a racing sim and a shooter and contract Mistwalker to make a FF clone.  Release it all at a solid price and do whatever it takes to ensure 3rd party support is fully behind it, and market it to adults as well as children.  Do that and the system will be competitive.  Not saying on top, but it would have a shot.

I agree 200% especially where you said they need more western support.  The west is where nintendo is weak and they seem not to care or address this weakness.  Why is it that Grand theft auto sells 10 million in America but not even 1 million in Japan?  Why is it that Monster Hunter sells 4-5 million in Japan but may sell 600,000-800,000 in the west?  It's called APPEAL and Sony has it in the variety of third party games.  Microsoft just doesn't appeal to Japanese gamers.  Nintendo is losing American gamers with wii u.  There was a time when Nintendo dominated America even in the beginning of the n64 life.  The wii doesn't count cause I'm talking about loyal gamers not fickle one night stands.