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Soundwave on 01 April 2014
curl-6 said:
Soundwave said:

Kinda revisionist history here. I was around for the GameCube era, I recall a lot of "you can't judge the GameCube yet! Mario and Zelda haven't even be released yet!" going on for the first year or so before that dream died. The "it doesn't have its killer app yet" excuse has been done to death, the Wii U has a better library than either the PS4 or X1 ... there's just no interest in this product. 

Nintendo just doesn't have it anymore in the console business anyway. Fundamentally I think it's almost like they are incapable of making a console without making 3-4 critical mistakes in its design every time. 

I was there too. GCN fucked up Mario and Zelda, that's why they didn't sell. Wii U may yet give gamers they Zelda they actually want.


If it was 1994, maybe ... unfortunately for Nintendo it's 2014. I really don't think that many people are waiting with baited breath to play the 10th Zelda game or whatever. 

It's just over for Nintendo in the console biz, they're just not adaptable enough in the business and have no idea what's going in the Western market. The answer simply can't be "well lets just release this 25 year old franchise again, maybe it'll work this time". 

People don't want a console for just 4-5 franchises, they want ALL the big games, all the third party games, there is no market for niche electronic formats. Consumers just don't have the patience for that anymore, in the 80s/90s electronic companies had a lot more sway in dictating to consumers how and what they could consume, but now I think we are in an age where you better give the consumer what they want or they don't have time for you, period. 



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curl-6 on 01 April 2014
Soundwave said:
curl-6 said:
Soundwave said:

Kinda revisionist history here. I was around for the GameCube era, I recall a lot of "you can't judge the GameCube yet! Mario and Zelda haven't even be released yet!" going on for the first year or so before that dream died. The "it doesn't have its killer app yet" excuse has been done to death, the Wii U has a better library than either the PS4 or X1 ... there's just no interest in this product. 

Nintendo just doesn't have it anymore in the console business anyway. Fundamentally I think it's almost like they are incapable of making a console without making 3-4 critical mistakes in its design every time. 

I was there too. GCN fucked up Mario and Zelda, that's why they didn't sell. Wii U may yet give gamers they Zelda they actually want.


If it was 1994, maybe ... unfortunately for Nintendo it's 2014. I really don't think that many people are waiting with baited breath to play the 10th Zelda game or whatever. 

It's just over for Nintendo. The answer simply can't be "well lets just release this 25 year old franchise again, maybe it'll work this time". 

This won't just be the 10th Zelda though. It could be the Zelda gamers have dreamed of for a decade; a truly modern darker Zelda.



Soundwave on 01 April 2014
curl-6 said:
Soundwave said:
curl-6 said:
Soundwave said:

Kinda revisionist history here. I was around for the GameCube era, I recall a lot of "you can't judge the GameCube yet! Mario and Zelda haven't even be released yet!" going on for the first year or so before that dream died. The "it doesn't have its killer app yet" excuse has been done to death, the Wii U has a better library than either the PS4 or X1 ... there's just no interest in this product. 

Nintendo just doesn't have it anymore in the console business anyway. Fundamentally I think it's almost like they are incapable of making a console without making 3-4 critical mistakes in its design every time. 

I was there too. GCN fucked up Mario and Zelda, that's why they didn't sell. Wii U may yet give gamers they Zelda they actually want.


If it was 1994, maybe ... unfortunately for Nintendo it's 2014. I really don't think that many people are waiting with baited breath to play the 10th Zelda game or whatever. 

It's just over for Nintendo. The answer simply can't be "well lets just release this 25 year old franchise again, maybe it'll work this time". 

This won't just be the 10th Zelda though. It could be the Zelda gamers have dreamed of for a decade; a truly modern darker Zelda.


Most people don't care. Or they care but not enough to buy an entirely seperate piece of hardware to play that one game. 

When they buy a video game console they want the one that has all the games. Not one or two good Mario/Zelda games every 2-3 years. 

That formula just doesn't work, no one would buy a movie format that only have 3-4 good movies a year on it, why Nintendo thinks this concept works for more expensive game consoles is kind of a mystery to me really. 

Fundamentally this is just a flawed formula that Nintendo tries to keep pushing ... people don't like it, and many people do just fine without Nintendo franchises ... PSOne and PS2 eras proved that and this generation doesn't look any different. 



curl-6 on 01 April 2014
Soundwave said:

Most people don't care. 

When they buy a video game console they want the one that has all the games. Not one or two good Mario/Zelda games every 2-3 years. 

That formula just doesn't work, no one would buy a movie format that only have 3-4 good movies a year on it, why Nintendo thinks this concept works for more expensive game consoles is kind of a mystery to me really. 

They do care, the reception to the E3 2012 teaser was overwhelmingly positive.

And that's why Wii U needs to be cheaper, so it can be a "companion" console.



Lonely_Dolphin on 01 April 2014
curl-6 said:
Einsam_Delphin said:

Is that it? The only difference is the mildly higher price? That doesn't even prove that price cuts would make a difference now, unless you think they should have released the GCN at $300 just so they could do more price cuts lol.

$200-$300 is not a "mild" difference. It's critical; one's a casual price pont, the other is not.

Prior consoles also never had Wii U's lack of a killer app.



Based on what? Also the Wii U now always comes bundled with a game. Regardless, how does this prove that price cuts will make difference now?

And that proves that the Wii U will sell once it get's a "killer app" how?

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Soundwave on 01 April 2014
curl-6 said:
Soundwave said:

Most people don't care. 

When they buy a video game console they want the one that has all the games. Not one or two good Mario/Zelda games every 2-3 years. 

That formula just doesn't work, no one would buy a movie format that only have 3-4 good movies a year on it, why Nintendo thinks this concept works for more expensive game consoles is kind of a mystery to me really. 

They do care, the reception to the E3 2012 teaser was overwhelmingly positive.

And that's why Wii U needs to be cheaper, so it can be a "companion" console.

$99 couldn't convince a lot of people to buy a GCN as a companion console. 

If I only have a limited amount of time to spend on video games to begin with, I don't need a companion console, there are a million other things I could spend my money on. 

Nintendo needs to get it through their heads that consumers don't sit around waiting for them to get their sh*t together. They are perfectly content without them. 



curl-6 on 01 April 2014
Einsam_Delphin said:
curl-6 said:
Einsam_Delphin said:

Is that it? The only difference is the mildly higher price? That doesn't even prove that price cuts would make a difference now, unless you think they should have released the GCN at $300 just so they could do more price cuts lol.

$200-$300 is not a "mild" difference. It's critical; one's a casual price pont, the other is not.

Prior consoles also never had Wii U's lack of a killer app.


Based on what? Also the Wii U now always comes bundled with a game. Regardless, how does this prove that price cuts will make difference now?

And that proves that the Wii U will sell once it get's a "killer app" how?

Based on the market over the last decade.

And the definition of a killer app is that it sells systems.



curl-6 on 01 April 2014
Soundwave said:
curl-6 said:
Soundwave said:

Most people don't care. 

When they buy a video game console they want the one that has all the games. Not one or two good Mario/Zelda games every 2-3 years. 

That formula just doesn't work, no one would buy a movie format that only have 3-4 good movies a year on it, why Nintendo thinks this concept works for more expensive game consoles is kind of a mystery to me really. 

They do care, the reception to the E3 2012 teaser was overwhelmingly positive.

And that's why Wii U needs to be cheaper, so it can be a "companion" console.

$99 couldn't convince a lot of people to buy a GCN as a companion console. 

If I only have a limited amount of time to spend on video games to begin with, I don't need a companion console, there are a million other things I could spend my money on. 

Nintendo needs to get it through their heads that consumers don't sit around waiting for them to get their sh*t together. They are perfectly content without them. 

That's cos the GCN was never positioned as a companion console.



Lonely_Dolphin on 01 April 2014
curl-6 said:
Soundwave said:

Most people don't care. 

When they buy a video game console they want the one that has all the games. Not one or two good Mario/Zelda games every 2-3 years. 

That formula just doesn't work, no one would buy a movie format that only have 3-4 good movies a year on it, why Nintendo thinks this concept works for more expensive game consoles is kind of a mystery to me really. 

They do care, the reception to the E3 2012 teaser was overwhelmingly positive.

And that's why Wii U needs to be cheaper, so it can be a "companion" console.



You still think forum go-ers are the majority lol!? Wii U already is cheaper btw, as were N64 and GCN.

curl-6 on 01 April 2014
Einsam_Delphin said:

You still think forum go-ers are the majority lol!? Wii U already is cheaper btw, as were N64 and GCN.

$300 is still too expensive.