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Lonely_Dolphin on 31 March 2014
curl-6 said:
Einsam_Delphin said:
 

More desirable based on what!? If we look at 3DS numbers, SM3DL and MK7 are selling at roughly the same clip. Even if SSB4 was more desirable, it's sales are gonna be split with the 3DS.

And as my last post implied, you're gonna have to explain how the Wii U is different from it's predecessors and how the difference is somehow gonna allow Wii U's potential console sellers to actually sell consoles for once (despite some already failing to do so).

Mario Kart Wii sold 3 times as much as Mario Galaxy. (And that was itself a far more desirable game than 3D World) Smash outsold Galaxy also.

Wii U started off more expensive than prior systems; as a result it will take longer to reach its stride. 



Mario Kart Wii sold uber well because of motion controls/Wii Wheel, but those have now lost their appeal. Also, seeing as 3DLand is enroute to match or even outsell Galaxy despite the lesser install base, I have to doubt the series is any less desirable, now stop baselessly throwing that term around already!
Also, Brawl sold just a million more than Galaxy so they're still in the same tier saleswise, but again, SSB4 is going multiplatform.

EDIT: Oops skipped the last part! So with both SSB4 and MK8 releasing this year, the latter of which likely being the biggest game that ever comes to Wii U saleswise, this is definitely going to be the systems peak year, meaning it can only do worse every year following.



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oniyide on 31 March 2014
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:
curl-6 said:
Einsam_Delphin said:

Not sure what you mean here. Mario World was on SNES, SNES still sold less than NES. Mario64 was on N64, N64 still sold less than SNES. Sunshine was on GCN, GCN still sold less than N64. SM3DW is on Wii U, Wii U still selling less than GCN. What's so different!?

I didn't see em myself, but I heard they had an advertising campaign going on during the holidays last year. Regardless, my point remains that the Wii U has already seen a wave of potential sales boosters that previous consoles have also seen, and like them it gained no momentum in terms of outselling it's predecessors. Why would Mario kart and smash bros. and price cuts n stuff work now all of a sudden when they never ever have before?

Because Wii is not the SNES. It is not the N64. It is not the GCN. It has different circumstances, different problems.

The price cut didn't work because it is still too expensive.  3D World produced only a mild boost because it was not what fans wanted.

Mario Kart and Smash, however, are more desirable games than 3D World, just as $200/$250 is a much more attractive price point than $300.


i keep hearing this price argument. Wii U is still more expensive than the GC was? SO what? Inflation happens. Whats Ninty supposed to do drop the price to GC levels. and absorb even bigger loses, cause thats not gonna happen.

The price of components drops over time, often quite rapidly. Wii U will not always cost  $300 to make.

you're not helping you're argument. It costs 300 dollars NOW, thats just with NintendoLand.  240 for just the 8gb basic that no one seems to want anyway. How quickly did GC price drop? wasnt it at about 100 bucks after being on the market for a year and a half? How long is it going to take for WIi U's price to drop to that level? what about 150? hell 200? Ninty is not going to take more losses.



curl-6 on 31 March 2014
oniyide said:

you're not helping you're argument. It costs 300 dollars NOW, thats just with NintendoLand.  240 for just the 8gb basic that no one seems to want anyway. How quickly did GC price drop? wasnt it at about 100 bucks after being on the market for a year and a half? How long is it going to take for WIi U's price to drop to that level? what about 150? hell 200? Ninty is not going to take more losses.

$300 isn't a casual price point, simple as that. $250 is, $200 more so. Manufacturing costs will go down with time, as they do for all systems, and they will be able to cut the price without incurring further loss.



curl-6 on 31 March 2014
Einsam_Delphin said:

Mario Kart Wii sold uber well because of motion controls/Wii Wheel, but those have now lost their appeal. Also, seeing as 3DLand is enroute to match or even outsell Galaxy despite the lesser install base, I have to doubt the series is any less desirable, now stop baselessly throwing that term around already!
Also, Brawl sold just a million more than Galaxy so they're still in the same tier saleswise, but again, SSB4 is going multiplatform.

EDIT: Oops skipped the last part! So with both SSB4 and MK8 releasing this year, the latter of which likely being the biggest game that ever comes to Wii U saleswise, this is definitely going to be the systems peak year, meaning it can only do worse every year following.

3D Land was desirable as it was the  first of the 2D/3D hybrid series. 3D World being effectively a HD remix of a 3DS game killed its appeal. 

And this will only be Wii U's peak year if its price is cut before the holidays. Otherwise, not a chance.



oniyide on 31 March 2014
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:

you're not helping you're argument. It costs 300 dollars NOW, thats just with NintendoLand.  240 for just the 8gb basic that no one seems to want anyway. How quickly did GC price drop? wasnt it at about 100 bucks after being on the market for a year and a half? How long is it going to take for WIi U's price to drop to that level? what about 150? hell 200? Ninty is not going to take more losses.

$300 isn't a casual price point, simple as that. $250 is, $200 more so. Manufacturing costs will go down with time, as they do for all systems, and they will be able to cut the price without incurring further loss.


??? i never said it was a casual price point. Not sure why you brought that up, not that it matters. 400 isnt a casual price point and PS4 is doing MUCH better. So im not sure why it makes a difference.

But thats besides the point you never answered my question, WHEN will the price drop? They are still taking losses at 300, so when can they drop it to 200 to NOT take losses. I dont think anytime soon, and when i mean soon I mean this year. But when do you think it will be at 200? Because the longer it stays in the 300 range the worst of it wll be IMHO.



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curl-6 on 31 March 2014
oniyide said:

But thats besides the point you never answered my question, WHEN will the price drop? They are still taking losses at 300, so when can they drop it to 200 to NOT take losses. I dont think anytime soon, and when i mean soon I mean this year. But when do you think it will be at 200? Because the longer it stays in the 300 range the worst of it wll be IMHO.

When was the last time they confirmed they were taking losses at $300? They could drop to $250 in the latter half of this year, in time for the holidays.



oniyide on 31 March 2014
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:

But thats besides the point you never answered my question, WHEN will the price drop? They are still taking losses at 300, so when can they drop it to 200 to NOT take losses. I dont think anytime soon, and when i mean soon I mean this year. But when do you think it will be at 200? Because the longer it stays in the 300 range the worst of it wll be IMHO.

When was the last time they confirmed they were taking losses at $300? They could drop to $250 in the latter half of this year, in time for the holidays.


its been said numerous times on this very site that 3ds is the only thing thats profitable for them. I think in the last report. But even then, they arent making money on it, thats for sure. 250 for the holidays, sounds doable, hell they should do it.

Edit: the fact that they were missing their sold projections by millions...kind of common sense. If you expect to sell a certain amount of product and you didnt even come close, then yeah you didnt make any money, especially if they are returning stock.



Lonely_Dolphin on 31 March 2014
curl-6 said:
Einsam_Delphin said:

Mario Kart Wii sold uber well because of motion controls/Wii Wheel, but those have now lost their appeal. Also, seeing as 3DLand is enroute to match or even outsell Galaxy despite the lesser install base, I have to doubt the series is any less desirable, now stop baselessly throwing that term around already!
Also, Brawl sold just a million more than Galaxy so they're still in the same tier saleswise, but again, SSB4 is going multiplatform.

EDIT: Oops skipped the last part! So with both SSB4 and MK8 releasing this year, the latter of which likely being the biggest game that ever comes to Wii U saleswise, this is definitely going to be the systems peak year, meaning it can only do worse every year following.

3D Land was desirable as it was the  first of the 2D/3D hybrid series. 3D World being effectively a HD remix of a 3DS game killed its appeal. 

And this will only be Wii U's peak year if its price is cut before the holidays. Otherwise, not a chance.



So all sequels have no console selling ability purely because they're sequels? lol get out! With that logic, MK8 n SSB4 would have no appeal either since they're just HD remixs of MK7 and Brawl!

And I definitely believe they will price cut this year as they'd be crazy not to with the games they have releasing.

curl-6 on 31 March 2014
Einsam_Delphin said:

So all sequels have no console selling ability purely because they're sequels? lol get out! With that logic, MK8 n SSB4 would have no appeal either since they're just HD remixs of MK7 and Brawl!

3D World was not what fans wanted, simple. They wanted the next big Mario-Galaxy-esque leap, or failing that, Mario 64 II. They didn't want a beefed up 3DS game.

With Kart and Smash, expectations are different. People don't expect as much ambition from them as from 3D Mario.



Lonely_Dolphin on 31 March 2014
curl-6 said:
Einsam_Delphin said:

So all sequels have no console selling ability purely because they're sequels? lol get out! With that logic, MK8 n SSB4 would have no appeal either since they're just HD remixs of MK7 and Brawl!

3D World was not what fans wanted, simple. They wanted the next big Mario-Galaxy-esque leap, or failing that, Mario 64 II. They didn't want a beefed up 3DS game.

With Kart and Smash, expectations are different. People don't expect as much ambition from them as from 3D Mario.



lol dude seriously!? You're gonna speak for all people as if you know exactly what each and every one of them thinks!? Once again, get out! xD