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Seece said:

TheLastStarFighter said:
I think XBOne is going to do poorly because it is not offering a good value proposition vs PS4.

Clearly many disagree with that. Kinect is bundled, it's up for people to decide where they find value. Not to mention all signs point to MS making XB1 price comparitive with PS4 this fall.

At this stage I see Wii U in better potential shape because it at least offers a true "alternative" - cheaper, family friendly, classic Nintendo, etc. that some may pick up if the AAA 3rd party offerings are not their cup of tea.

It's been out for 16 months now? It's not suddenly going to gain attention by people because it has Nintendo exclusives.

I'm not saying this as a "fan" who is against XBox - I've loved the products since the original XBox launched, I drooled over my 1st issue of the XBox magazine detailing the games that were coming and XB360 was my primary system last gen. But XBOne is making a very poor proposition to customers. Last gen it was cheaper than PS3, had better online, had Bioware, Bungie and Mistwalker exclusivity, and Fable was in fine form... it was a no-brainer as a system to get. Especially after GTA and FF went full multi-plat. And with the launch head start more friends had 360's than PS3's.

XB1 needs to get price comparitive for sure. The other stuff you stated tho? Mistwalker exclusivity did not do jot ... MS have started new studio and will make new partnerships. You seem to think 2 core consoles can't co exist. News flash they did last gen they are now, and they will in the future.

But right now I honestly can't see any reason to pick up the system as an objective consumer.

That's you, look at it from other points of view. Kinect, where your friends are, exclusives, OS and Controller all play a part. As soon as MS get price on par, the only thing PS4 will have up on XB1 is the power. And if you really still think there is no reason to pick up an XB1 because PS4 is more powerful, vs all those other far important reasons ...


Titanfall looks real cool but I can get it on my PC or 360. I feel that if PS4 continues to gain momentum, the mass consumer in North America will start picking up that product and XBOne will flatline once the early adopters have picked up there box. There needs to be a $100 price cut and some compelling software released ASAP.

Wii U, on the other hand, I think will continue to trend upward as it gets cheaper and more software, and with decent sales in Japan it should find its niche and move units around or beyond where One settles.

it's trending upwards, minimially. It's still selling incredibly poorly. Since when is Japan going to be its savour? Again, out 16 months and lagging behind previous gen consoles badly.

 



Of course some people will have different opinions and some will feel XBOne presents a greater value than PS4.  I just can't see a legitamite argument for it, unless you really love Kinnect.  XBOne is $100 more than PS4, but is slightly weaker in power.  I think 95% of objective customers are going to pick up the cheaper, more powerful box, and the effect will snowball after time.

You may not think Mass Effect, Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey were releavant titles, but I think they were.  They were a major factor in choosing my console of choice, and I think many other core gamers liked the list of RPG's available early on.

There is also the issue that Bungie has left and is making Destiny with PS4 as the lead platform.  And the head of Lionhead has left and Fable III was of questionable quality.

In transitioning from XBox to 360, the four pinacle titles for the brand were Halo, Fable, COD and KOTOR.  The developers of the first two are not the same, and the second two are now multiplat.  The new big franchises from 360 are Gears and Forza, and Gears is now with a new developer as well.  I've loved XBox for a decade, but I really can't see the selling point here.  You can say others have a different opinion, but you aren't really disputing any of this.  I can't say to myself that XBOne is equal to PS4, let alone $100 more valuable.

I never said two similar consoles can't exist, I'm simply saying that the larger share of the market is going to go to PS4.  As it stands I see PS4 increasing share over PS3 while the competitors from MS and Nintendo will both likely see their sales numbers at half of what they were in the previous gen.

And Wii U isn't up slightly.  It's selling up 100% over last year.  With MK8 coming soon I expect that to continue for the year and the system could sell 6-7 million.  That's also where I see XBOne.

This all can change in an instant, of course.  MS can drop the price, buy an exclusive (and I expect them to do everything they can to compete)... or Nintendo could come up with the next Wii-Sports or Brain Trainin like craze.  But as it stands I see PS4 becoming the gens lead platform and One and U selling similar numbers to those consumers who want to be "different", but not necessarily better.



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morenoingrato said:
chapset said:

you are too emotionaly attached bro, you see things that are not there

Hardly. I was just pointing out your lack of maturity, as you can't really get over Zero even when he hasn't even posted in the thread.

That is all.

insulting people is ban worthy bro and please stop derailing the thread. thk you



Bet reminder: I bet with Tboned51 that Splatoon won't reach the 1 million shipped mark by the end of 2015. I win if he loses and I lose if I lost.

Oh... again with the US = The world thing? Yeah... thats some good reasoning... lol

 

Here is what i think is alot more likely:

One of two scenarios.

First: They actually undertracked in january and tried to make up for it in february.

Second: After the negative numbers of January. Microsoft agressively aproached these guys and worked their way forcing shipped numbers into them. 

I personally find the numbers extremely questionable. Howcome theres such a big difference from january to february? Nothing special happened. That makes the numbers looks extremely fishy to me. Why the sudden jump? 60k numbers aswell. Its extremely fishy.



chapset said:

insulting people is ban worthy bro and please stop derailing the thread. thk you

You threw the first stone at someone completely unrelated. Just saying.

But I agree. Not really worth it to waste my time with you.



Nem said:

Oh... again with the US = The world thing? Yeah... thats some good reasoning... lol

The X1 in the us is probably outselling the wii U WW

Here is what i think is alot more likely:

One of two scenarios.

First: They actually undertracked in january and tried to make up for it in february.

Vgchartz actually overtracked the X1 in january

Second: After the negative numbers of January. Microsoft agressively aproached these guys and worked their way forcing shipped numbers into them. 

Those npd numbers are sold not shipped

I personally find the numbers extremely questionable. Howcome theres such a big difference from january to february? Nothing special happened. That makes the numbers looks extremely fishy to me. Why the sudden jump? 60k numbers aswell. Its extremely fishy.





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chapset said:
Nem said:

Oh... again with the US = The world thing? Yeah... thats some good reasoning... lol

The X1 in the us is probably outselling the wii U WW

Here is what i think is alot more likely:

One of two scenarios.

First: They actually undertracked in january and tried to make up for it in february.

Vgchartz actually overtracked the X1 in january

Second: After the negative numbers of January. Microsoft agressively aproached these guys and worked their way forcing shipped numbers into them. 

Those npd numbers are sold not shipped

I personally find the numbers extremely questionable. Howcome theres such a big difference from january to february? Nothing special happened. That makes the numbers looks extremely fishy to me. Why the sudden jump? 60k numbers aswell. Its extremely fishy.




Wow... that was a bad post.

1. So? We're talking about X1 sales here.

2. Again so? I was talking about NPD.

3. That is what im questioning. I know they arent supposed to, but the numbers are too fishy and illogical for there not be something behind them. I wouldnt be surprised if Microsoft payed them off to show them better numbers than they have. All very hush hush and under the table. I'm just speculating though. Usually when theres smoke, theres fire.



Retailers have been desperate to move X1s, they could be responsible for the feb bump.



Seece said:
Egann said:

Why not? I'll bite.

The X1 and Wii U have opposite problems, but that results in the same end.

The major problem with the Wii U is that Nintendo has done ZERO advertising. If you don't watch Nintendo Direct or visit IGN every other day, you might not know much about the Wii U at all, let alone the games coming up for it.

That's a shame. After the price drop the Wii U is basically asking a fair price for a respectable console, and it's getting torpedoed by utterly inept marketing decisions.

 

The XBox 1 is the other way around. It has a strong marketing presence, but these days most consumers do a modicum of research before spending $500. Even the least informed gamers know Playstation is in competition with XBox. The consoles look about the same in most regards, but the PS4 is $100 less.

The X1 has a respectable marketing plan, but is ruined by being overpriced compared to the competition.

Now consider that video games are Nintendo's bread and butter. And that Microsoft shareholders want the XBox division gone because it hasn't made money. 

The Wii U still can manage second in the generation because Nintendo could, quite easily, advertise the console and fix most of the marketing problems. It's unlikely, but they could do it. Microsoft CANNOT fix the Xbox 1. Even unbundling Kinect, Microsoft has to take a major loss on hardware...which they won't EVER do under shareholder scrutiny.

Christ, this post ...

A) WiiU's problem is its concept. Stop trying to hide it behind year old excuses like lack of advertising.

B) XB1's price can be remedied. It has a target audience. It doesn't matter if PS4 sells more, the PS360 userbase is huge and there is enough there for XB1 to carve out a respectable userbase.

C) What has videogames being Nintendos bread and butter got to do with anything? They're clearly not doing a good job, look at the facts. MS just reiterated the Xbox division is safe, doesn't reall matter what some investors want. And what's most important is how the xbox division has been doing recently/now. FYI it's making money. the Xbox and early Xbox 360 losses are a sunk cost and not taken into consideration by anyone anymore unless they have an agenda.

D) to your last part, again, it's not an advertising problem. It's not a price problem. It's not a software problem. Console has been out for 16 months and 2 holidays and the sales have been awful. People simply don't want the console.


I'd actually say the Wii U has a great concept, but it will never sell well as an ordinary console because it's not.

Typically, when you buy consoles you rip out the old one and drop the new one into it's place. There's only one TV screen and one console because they are complementary goods. Together, they make a complete entertainment center.

The Wii U isn't like that. It comes with a second screen. It uses the TV, to be sure, but I can see a Wii U playing Youtube or doing web browsing entirely on the gamepad WHILE another console is running, even if there's only one person using it. Double that if it's in a family entertainment center. The Wii U is a complementary good to an already complete entertainment center.

Thing is, that's a very unusual and complicated sales pitch, particularly for a console. It's definitely more complicated than the PS4/ X1's "same, but upgraded" argument or the Wii's "Shake the controller" schtick.

 

I mention Nintendo's bread and butter because, compared to Microsoft, it is. Nintendo shareholders expect Nintendo to do whatever they need to to turn around the sales slump. Shareholders at Microsoft are furious for them taking losses on XBox. Most Microsoft money comes from Windows and Office. Compared to those, the XBox is a complete waste of money. 

 Reading between the lines, when they say XBox is safe, what they really mean is "Bing is the thing which will be cut first." That's not exactly what I want to hear.



there are two options: hyperbole or stupidity.



I won't say that I believe one way or the other, but I will say that the situations are extremely similar. Both systems are bundled with an accessory that makes manufacturing much more expensive, but is so integrated into the system that removing it just isn't an option. It's hard for me to imagine a time when the Xbone isn't more expensive than the PS4, because it's always going to have that Kinect, just like the Wii U is always going to have that Gamepad. It's always just going to be more expensive because of it, and I feel that that can drastically lower its sales.



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