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TheLastStarFighter said: I think XBOne is going to do poorly because it is not offering a good value proposition vs PS4.
Clearly many disagree with that. Kinect is bundled, it's up for people to decide where they find value. Not to mention all signs point to MS making XB1 price comparitive with PS4 this fall.
At this stage I see Wii U in better potential shape because it at least offers a true "alternative" - cheaper, family friendly, classic Nintendo, etc. that some may pick up if the AAA 3rd party offerings are not their cup of tea.
It's been out for 16 months now? It's not suddenly going to gain attention by people because it has Nintendo exclusives. I'm not saying this as a "fan" who is against XBox - I've loved the products since the original XBox launched, I drooled over my 1st issue of the XBox magazine detailing the games that were coming and XB360 was my primary system last gen. But XBOne is making a very poor proposition to customers. Last gen it was cheaper than PS3, had better online, had Bioware, Bungie and Mistwalker exclusivity, and Fable was in fine form... it was a no-brainer as a system to get. Especially after GTA and FF went full multi-plat. And with the launch head start more friends had 360's than PS3's.
XB1 needs to get price comparitive for sure. The other stuff you stated tho? Mistwalker exclusivity did not do jot ... MS have started new studio and will make new partnerships. You seem to think 2 core consoles can't co exist. News flash they did last gen they are now, and they will in the future. But right now I honestly can't see any reason to pick up the system as an objective consumer.
That's you, look at it from other points of view. Kinect, where your friends are, exclusives, OS and Controller all play a part. As soon as MS get price on par, the only thing PS4 will have up on XB1 is the power. And if you really still think there is no reason to pick up an XB1 because PS4 is more powerful, vs all those other far important reasons ...
Titanfall looks real cool but I can get it on my PC or 360. I feel that if PS4 continues to gain momentum, the mass consumer in North America will start picking up that product and XBOne will flatline once the early adopters have picked up there box. There needs to be a $100 price cut and some compelling software released ASAP. Wii U, on the other hand, I think will continue to trend upward as it gets cheaper and more software, and with decent sales in Japan it should find its niche and move units around or beyond where One settles.
it's trending upwards, minimially. It's still selling incredibly poorly. Since when is Japan going to be its savour? Again, out 16 months and lagging behind previous gen consoles badly.
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Of course some people will have different opinions and some will feel XBOne presents a greater value than PS4. I just can't see a legitamite argument for it, unless you really love Kinnect. XBOne is $100 more than PS4, but is slightly weaker in power. I think 95% of objective customers are going to pick up the cheaper, more powerful box, and the effect will snowball after time.
You may not think Mass Effect, Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey were releavant titles, but I think they were. They were a major factor in choosing my console of choice, and I think many other core gamers liked the list of RPG's available early on.
There is also the issue that Bungie has left and is making Destiny with PS4 as the lead platform. And the head of Lionhead has left and Fable III was of questionable quality.
In transitioning from XBox to 360, the four pinacle titles for the brand were Halo, Fable, COD and KOTOR. The developers of the first two are not the same, and the second two are now multiplat. The new big franchises from 360 are Gears and Forza, and Gears is now with a new developer as well. I've loved XBox for a decade, but I really can't see the selling point here. You can say others have a different opinion, but you aren't really disputing any of this. I can't say to myself that XBOne is equal to PS4, let alone $100 more valuable.
I never said two similar consoles can't exist, I'm simply saying that the larger share of the market is going to go to PS4. As it stands I see PS4 increasing share over PS3 while the competitors from MS and Nintendo will both likely see their sales numbers at half of what they were in the previous gen.
And Wii U isn't up slightly. It's selling up 100% over last year. With MK8 coming soon I expect that to continue for the year and the system could sell 6-7 million. That's also where I see XBOne.
This all can change in an instant, of course. MS can drop the price, buy an exclusive (and I expect them to do everything they can to compete)... or Nintendo could come up with the next Wii-Sports or Brain Trainin like craze. But as it stands I see PS4 becoming the gens lead platform and One and U selling similar numbers to those consumers who want to be "different", but not necessarily better.