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Di you like Russia?

Yes, I love it! 218 35.68%
 
No, I hate it. 144 23.57%
 
Russia is strange... 130 21.28%
 
Don't know yet, curious ... 67 10.97%
 
Don't know and don't care. 45 7.36%
 
Total:604
Mnementh said:
PDF said:

How do you feel about tourists because this picture tells me your not a fan

 

How did the the welcomness of the population was determined?Because how you measure this? And I get the feeling, that most countries in red are countries where large portions of the people don't speak fluent english. Was this measured into it?

Also - look at the map and 'more welcoming/less welcoming'. Its made like in 'red' counries people hate tourists, and in 'blue' - love them.
But in the report the marks are between 1 till 7 (1 = very unwelcome; 7 = very welcome).
The highest # is at Iceland, with 6.8. The lowest - Bolivia, 4.1. Russia is at 5.0. Which is still 'welcome' at any scale. But the map and the colours look like Russians hate tourists. So full of shit...



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Mnementh said:

How did the the welcomness of the population was determined?

Well, report doesn't seem like it have methodology described, but as it often happens with these badly formalized topics, self-reported likely. So the correct title would be "Population perception of its attitude towards foreign visitors".

The pic is intentionally or unintentionally manipulative -- hence the topic of article where it has been posted -- to see this you just need to read actual report to which it refers.



Yesterday i did some research about Russian army, and I find this :

The Mother’s Right Foundation (Interregional Charitable Public Foundation ‘Pravo Materi’) is a Russian, non-profit, non-government human rights organization which works to protect the rights of families whose sons died in military service as a result of hazing, criminal actions, unsanitary living conditions, unhealthy psychological environment, etc.[2]
According to the information of human rights activists, 3,000 people die annually while performing military service in the Russian army, and in many cases parents of dead soldiers do not receive any support from the government.[3]

Is this true ? I'm totally shocked now. 

 



KingofTrolls said:

Yesterday i did some research about Russian army, and I find this :

The Mother’s Right Foundation (Interregional Charitable Public Foundation ‘Pravo Materi’) is a Russian, non-profit, non-government human rights organization which works to protect the rights of families whose sons died in military service as a result of hazing, criminal actions, unsanitary living conditions, unhealthy psychological environment, etc.[2]
According to the information of human rights activists, 3,000 people die annually while performing military service in the Russian army, and in many cases parents of dead soldiers do not receive any support from the government.[3]

 Is this true ? I'm totally shocked now.

Not exactly true. No real information and a lot of spin.
1. I wouldn't believe CPOs, as many of them funded from abroad, and their mothods and information is questionable.

2. On the official information, deaths in army are: 2008 - 471, 2009 - 470, 2010 - 478.

3. In the interview of the organization you link to, I've read:   'Regarding Mother Right statistics, we can say for sure only the number of people who asking for our help. This information is— at 2010 fund consulted 4277 families, — за 2011 — 5207. Of course, sons of this people died in different years. '
and further: 'We feel that annually in army dies around 2-2,5 thousands.'

4. In the information on people dead included all cases - including non army related. For example if an officer on a way home gets hit by a car to death - this case will be included in the data.

5. On the statistics, population of Russia for 2013 is  roughly 143.5 million people. In 2013 1.878 miliion people died, which is 1.3%.

Russian army is around 765 thousands now. The death rate in army is 0.06% on the official information, 0.32% on the Mother Right information. So it looks that death rate in Russian army is much lower then in Russia overall, so its a safer place for people.



^ Be serious. People die of old age, how many 80 year olds are in the military?

Also, I'm not sure of something. When you say "non army related", do you mean "non combat related"? I.e. didn't die in actual fighting? Or do you mean they died when they were not even in active duty, back home doing whatever they do when they are not working for the military?



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Final-Fan said:
Also, I'm not sure of something. When you say "non army related", do you mean "non combat related"? I.e. didn't die in actual fighting? Or do you mean they died when they were not even in active duty, back home doing whatever they do when they are not working for the military?  

I meant - died even not in duty.



Sharu said:
Final-Fan said:
Also, I'm not sure of something. When you say "non army related", do you mean "non combat related"? I.e. didn't die in actual fighting? Or do you mean they died when they were not even in active duty, back home doing whatever they do when they are not working for the military?  

I meant - died even not in duty.

But they all died not in duty, see this ..

which works to protect the rights of families whose sons died in military service as a result of hazing, criminal actions, unsanitary living conditions, unhealthy psychological environment, etc

 

I agree - when ur ,,teammates" forced u to suicide, it is not in duty.. So true or not ?



KingofTrolls said:
Sharu said:
Final-Fan said:
Also, I'm not sure of something. When you say "non army related", do you mean "non combat related"? I.e. didn't die in actual fighting? Or do you mean they died when they were not even in active duty, back home doing whatever they do when they are not working for the military?  

I meant - died even not in duty.

But they all died not in duty, see this ..

which works to protect the rights of families whose sons died in military service as a result of hazing, criminal actions, unsanitary living conditions, unhealthy psychological environment, etc

 

I agree - when ur ,,teammates" forced u to suicide, it is not in duty.. So true or not ?

If you want answer, please, make your questions more clear. If you'll re-read all that is written above you'll see the answer already.



Ok. Kinda strange than army is safer place for ppl than real world but. Thx for ur time.



What is it like travelling on trains there? You mentioned that is a major way to get around.

EDIT: To the above topic, the purported number of deaths sounds majorly unrealistic, but from what I've heard, hazing/abuse HAS been a major problem in Russian army post-USSR.  Even if most cases don't result in death, that is just the tip of the iceburg, and many more people were negatively affected in some manner.  Last I heard, the government has directly recognized that problem since at least several years ago (Medvedev presidency?), and has been making serious attempts to address it, changing the training regime and so on...