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JEMC on 05 March 2014
Slimebeast said:
JEMC said:

For starters, the 2 boards with the 970 chipset only have 1 electrical x16 PCIE, so none of them are good if you plan to go with 2 graphic cards. And they have differences in the Audio chip and number of USB ports, as well as one having  connections for both PS/2 keyboard and mouse while the other only has room for one.

Check the comparison http://www.gigabyte.us/products/comparison/list.aspx?ck=2&pids=4717,4591

Regarding the 990, the 990FXA has 2 x16 PCIE slots while the 990XA has one x16 PCIE and one x8 PCIE, as well as having an extra chipset that gives it another 2 6Gb/s SATA ports... on the back.

Check the comparison: http://www.gigabyte.us/products/comparison/list.aspx?ck=2&pids=4672,3901

And here, the 4 cards compared: http://www.gigabyte.us/products/comparison/list.aspx?ck=2&pids=4717,4591,4672,3901

To summarize, get one of the 990 mobos if you want to go with 2 cards as having 2x16 or 1x16+1x8 will have little effect.

So the cheaper 990 is good enuff to run two R9 290s in Crossfire? The weaker GPU slot will not bring down the perfromance?

Btw, can I combine a R9 290 with a next gen AMD card (a future 380 or something) or do they still need to be two cards that are exactly the same?

You'll be perfectly fine with that setup. It's an old article but

http://hardocp.com/article/2010/08/16/sli_cfx_pcie_bandwidth_perf_x16x16_vs_x16x8/1

Gameplay performance can be summed up very easily and directly. We experienced no differences in the gameplay experience between x16/x16 SLI or CFX compared to x16/x8 SLI or CFX. There were measurable differences, differences that some people might pick apart and declare a clear "winner," but we don't see it this way at all. For gamers, the differences are so minuscule that the delta simply does not matter.

As for your other question, I have no idea. The HD7xxx series can be mixed with the Rx 2x0 series because they are the same cards, just rebadged with another name. But when it comes to the next series of cards, they will probably use a new architecture so it's unknown if both kinds of cards will be able to work together.

But even if that they don'0t work together, by then you'll be able to get another 290 far cheaper than now .



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Slimebeast on 05 March 2014

Will this 750W PSU be enuff power for the system including two AMD R9 290's or equivalent? And will it have the proper cables and connectors?


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dahuman on 05 March 2014
Slimebeast said:
JEMC said:

For starters, the 2 boards with the 970 chipset only have 1 electrical x16 PCIE, so none of them are good if you plan to go with 2 graphic cards. And they have differences in the Audio chip and number of USB ports, as well as one having  connections for both PS/2 keyboard and mouse while the other only has room for one.

Check the comparison http://www.gigabyte.us/products/comparison/list.aspx?ck=2&pids=4717,4591

Regarding the 990, the 990FXA has 2 x16 PCIE slots while the 990XA has one x16 PCIE and one x8 PCIE, as well as having an extra chipset that gives it another 2 6Gb/s SATA ports... on the back.

Check the comparison: http://www.gigabyte.us/products/comparison/list.aspx?ck=2&pids=4672,3901

And here, the 4 cards compared: http://www.gigabyte.us/products/comparison/list.aspx?ck=2&pids=4717,4591,4672,3901

To summarize, get one of the 990 mobos if you want to go with 2 cards as having 2x16 or 1x16+1x8 will have little effect.

So the cheaper 990 is good enuff to run two R9 290s in Crossfire? The weaker GPU slot will not bring down the perfromance?

Btw, can I combine a R9 290 with a next gen AMD card (a future 380 or something) or do they still need to be two cards that are exactly the same?

Crossfire and SLI have to be cards from the same generation. Also, I'd go for the one with 990FX chipset.



Zkuq on 05 March 2014
Slimebeast said:
Zkuq said:
Slimebeast said:

Yeah Im thinking that too, but when I was about to click the order button I started to think what if I'll miss something useful with the more expensive motherboards.

The cheapest has 2 PCI-E slots as far as I can tell and thus should be enuff fore me, but I'm very unknowledgeable about modern features of mothaboards such as blue-tooth stuff (I never understood what is Blu-tooth and Wifi and all that stuff), connection to external.... stuff... what are those cards called, when you can put a little card in the computer, like a card reader or something?

Can't really say a whole lot because, again, I'm really out of the loop, but I think all of the stuff you mentioned you can get as USB peripherals. Bluetooth is used to connect devices to one another on short range, for example cell phones to computers and vice versa, or console controllers to consoles. I bought a USB stick for this years ago, cost like $5 I think. Wi-Fi = WLAN, and you use to to connect wirelessly to the internet; to be precise, it creates a short-range connection to a wireless router (or modem, I think), which in turn has internet access, and this allows you to connect to the internet. Again, there's USB sticks for this, and I don't know if they're still common but I have a PCI WLAN card in my PC. And finally, if you're talking about memory card readers, I'm pretty sure you can get those in USB form too. Basically any basic peripheral you can get in USB form.

As for other concerns, if I had to guess, I'd say you're pretty safe if you're getting a motherboard that supports dual graphics cards. Those things are for gamers, and for gamers, you don't sell crap (pardon my French). I suppose technically you might be interested in things like Firewire (if that's even a thing anymore), but you probably know already if you need it. Have a printer etc.? Check what it uses.

Okay cool. What about wirless routers? Which one should I buy? I had one in the past and it wasn't reliable.

What's Firewire?

Well, I would recommend you to stay away from wireless routers if possible because I too have had trouble with them in the past and I'm never, ever using one again unless I really have to. Right now I have my PC hooked up to my router with a wire, and I only use WLAN for my laptop and my phone for which it works just fine. It's a cheap Netwjork router and I don't know if they're sold outside Finland though; Google doesn't seem to show any non-Finnish results for it so that shouldn't be of much help to you unfortunately. The only guess I have is to have the router and the Wi-Fi card come from the same manufacturer, maybe they'll work together better that way. You should really Google more though.

As for Firewire, I'm not entirely sure as I've never used it. I've heard quite a bit but that's it. A quick internet search gives me the impression that it's like USB, like a competitor, but not as advanced anymore (faster than USB1.0, slower than USB2.0, which is what you'll find at minimum these days I think).



Skeeuk on 05 March 2014
Slimebeast said:
dahuman said:
What kind of CPU are you looking for?

AMD FX-8350.


im going for an FX 6300

i was on the fence about one as i didnt understand how the turbo clock works, but i understand its automatically done



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Slimebeast on 06 March 2014
Zkuq said:
Slimebeast said:
Zkuq said:
Slimebeast said:

Yeah Im thinking that too, but when I was about to click the order button I started to think what if I'll miss something useful with the more expensive motherboards.

The cheapest has 2 PCI-E slots as far as I can tell and thus should be enuff fore me, but I'm very unknowledgeable about modern features of mothaboards such as blue-tooth stuff (I never understood what is Blu-tooth and Wifi and all that stuff), connection to external.... stuff... what are those cards called, when you can put a little card in the computer, like a card reader or something?

Can't really say a whole lot because, again, I'm really out of the loop, but I think all of the stuff you mentioned you can get as USB peripherals. Bluetooth is used to connect devices to one another on short range, for example cell phones to computers and vice versa, or console controllers to consoles. I bought a USB stick for this years ago, cost like $5 I think. Wi-Fi = WLAN, and you use to to connect wirelessly to the internet; to be precise, it creates a short-range connection to a wireless router (or modem, I think), which in turn has internet access, and this allows you to connect to the internet. Again, there's USB sticks for this, and I don't know if they're still common but I have a PCI WLAN card in my PC. And finally, if you're talking about memory card readers, I'm pretty sure you can get those in USB form too. Basically any basic peripheral you can get in USB form.

As for other concerns, if I had to guess, I'd say you're pretty safe if you're getting a motherboard that supports dual graphics cards. Those things are for gamers, and for gamers, you don't sell crap (pardon my French). I suppose technically you might be interested in things like Firewire (if that's even a thing anymore), but you probably know already if you need it. Have a printer etc.? Check what it uses.

Okay cool. What about wirless routers? Which one should I buy? I had one in the past and it wasn't reliable.

What's Firewire?

Well, I would recommend you to stay away from wireless routers if possible because I too have had trouble with them in the past and I'm never, ever using one again unless I really have to. Right now I have my PC hooked up to my router with a wire, and I only use WLAN for my laptop and my phone for which it works just fine. It's a cheap Netwjork router and I don't know if they're sold outside Finland though; Google doesn't seem to show any non-Finnish results for it so that shouldn't be of much help to you unfortunately. The only guess I have is to have the router and the Wi-Fi card come from the same manufacturer, maybe they'll work together better that way. You should really Google more though.

As for Firewire, I'm not entirely sure as I've never used it. I've heard quite a bit but that's it. A quick internet search gives me the impression that it's like USB, like a competitor, but not as advanced anymore (faster than USB1.0, slower than USB2.0, which is what you'll find at minimum these days I think).

Wow, so somebody else is actually using wired internet. I thought I was the only one.

Problem is that I need to get internet access in two places in my house  simultaneously from the same ISP provider(and sometimes a child comes to visit and he always wants to hook up his phone or iPad or something to the internet and asks if we have "a node" or something. I don't even understand what that means.). So what should I do?

I'm thinking of this one:

ASUS RT-N56U Dual-Band 11n Router

Black Diamond, Gigabit LAN-WAN, USB x2, AP, 300+300Mbps Wireless-N

Is that a good product if I want good internet in my upper floor and bottem floor in my house?



Slimebeast on 06 March 2014
Skeeuk said:
Slimebeast said:
dahuman said:
What kind of CPU are you looking for?

AMD FX-8350.


im going for an FX 6300

i was on the fence about one as i didnt understand how the turbo clock works, but i understand its automatically done

How much is that CPU? AMD processers are dirty cheap, why don't you go for the FX-8320 or FX-8350?

But perhaps FX-6300 is very strong too?



dahuman on 06 March 2014
Skeeuk said:
Slimebeast said:
dahuman said:
What kind of CPU are you looking for?

AMD FX-8350.


im going for an FX 6300

i was on the fence about one as i didnt understand how the turbo clock works, but i understand its automatically done

that's a good buy for the price and should be able to last you for quiet awhile.



Zkuq on 06 March 2014
Slimebeast said:

Wow, so somebody else is actually using wired internet. I thought I was the only one.

Problem is that I need to get internet access in two places in my house  simultaneously from the same ISP provider(and sometimes a child comes to visit and he always wants to hook up his phone or iPad or something to the internet and asks if we have "a node" or something. I don't even understand what that means.). So what should I do?

I'm thinking of this one:

ASUS RT-N56U Dual-Band 11n Router

Black Diamond, Gigabit LAN-WAN, USB x2, AP, 300+300Mbps Wireless-N

Is that a good product if I want good internet in my upper floor and bottem floor in my house?

Oh no, you're not alone. :) Wired is more reliable and I don't think anyone can deny that. At best, people can argue that WLAN is reliable enough.

You should probably get a wireless router for that. You can probably hook up your PC to it via wire so it's more reliable, and you should be able to connect other devices wirelessly. By that node he's probably meaning a WLAN point, i.e. a router to provide wireless internet access.

I don't personally have much experience with WLAN stuff aside from connecting by phone to whatever WLAN network is available. :P All the routers I know I've connected to (aside from the one I own now) were Buffalo, and that's the brand my WLAN adapters have been too, although I think I had one Linksys adapter too. According to a quick search, that Asus router has won some award in some Finnish computer magazine so it shouldn't be total garbage but on the other hand, on a forum users seemed to have contradicting opinions too. I can't really say much more about it. Its specs seem OK I think?

I'd really love to help more but my knowledge is pretty limited. I have a basic understanding of some important concept but for details, I always have to resort to Google. Basically I keep my knowledge at a level where I can comfortably search for the details I need, whenever I need.



Skeeuk on 06 March 2014
Slimebeast said:
Skeeuk said:
Slimebeast said:
dahuman said:
What kind of CPU are you looking for?

AMD FX-8350.


im going for an FX 6300

i was on the fence about one as i didnt understand how the turbo clock works, but i understand its automatically done

How much is that CPU? AMD processers are dirty cheap, why don't you go for the FX-8320 or FX-8350?

But perhaps FX-6300 is very strong too?


http://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-FX6300-Edition-4-1GHz-Socket/dp/B009O7YORK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1394138113&sr=8-1&keywords=fx+6300

 

its £80.99 for a 6 core 3.5/4.1ghz, i was pleased to read that the 4.1 speed is an auto overclock if you will, stepping up from an athlon x 2 270 its a big jump imo



...not much time to post anymore, used to be awesome on here really good fond memories from VGchartz...

PSN: Skeeuk - XBL: SkeeUK - PC: Skeeuk

really miss the VGCHARTZ of 2008 - 2013...