Have you even played them? I recall you saying you haven't played Nintendo games in something of a decade or more.

Have you even played them? I recall you saying you haven't played Nintendo games in something of a decade or more.

It's obvious that he has no clue about Nintendo games at all.

Even if you invested tens of millions in that product and only got back $6.8m for the 200k sales so far ?

The sheer fact that you had an excuse at the ready for each 3rd party bomb I put forward was incredible.

Id call them all excuses, because the reasons why they may or may not have sold like they did doesnt matter. EA games have as much right to be in this conversation as any other games. What matters is that they were actual releases on Wii U, which is what the conversation was about. Look

You were talking about releases. It doesnt matter if they were slightly gimped releases, late ports or anything else (just like the PS4 and One are getting).

The releases were there (even from EA), it was just that the Wii U userbase didnt pick them up in reasonable numbers. Like I said earlier, the release schedule for Wii U was similar to, if not better than the early release schedules for PS4 and Xbox One.

It might not have been the greatest of efforts, but 3rd parties actually tried. To pin the brunt of the blame on them, when Nintendo should shoulder just as much of it (if not more) is just refusing to see the incompetance shown by Nintendo. As the platform is Nintendo's own, they should have known about what support was/wasnt going to be there and gone all out to make sure they had something, anything set to release at those dates when 3rd parties couldnt release. That includes paying developers to port games to Wii U.

This should be a big lesson to them when they release the next console.

It's obvious that he has no clue about Nintendo games at all.

Yes. Sorry, harsh but truth: People is ignoring Retro's latest offer on the Wii U, just like they decided to choose over other options with a lot more potential.

Is DonkeyKong's fault? No, it's Nintendo's fault to believe it will sell hardware when Returns proved that it sold on a established userbase. It's Nintendo's fault to greenlite a game that doesn't looks like a new complete generation when other consoles is offering that. It's Nintendo's fault to release the same games as the Wii.

People wanted new games, new experiences and Nintendo is just releasing the same content as the Wii with higer resolution. Wii Party, Wii Sports, Wii Fit, DKC Returns, New Super Mario Bros Wii have already sequels on the Wii U, and guess what, everything has bombed compared to their predecessors.

Every time I see my Wii U I imagine all those games Nintendo could have developed with outstandings graphics, effects, and new gameplay. Then, I got depressed looking at what we are getting.

It's not DK's fault, it's Nintendo's.

No way Tropical Freeze cost "tens of millions". The game was in development right after DKCR and the assembly line was fresh.

Not really, these conversations happen so many times that the reasons are readily available.

It DOES matter that the ports were late/gimped. It will directly effect sales of your product is inferior. That is a fact. No arguing will get around this. Why buy Mass Effect 3 on WiiU when you can get the entire trilogy for cheaper? Why buy Assassin's Creed on WiiU when you're not getting the performance upgrades of the PS4/Xbone versions and the DLC support of the PS3/360 versions?

There's zero incentive to buy WiiU versions of any multiplatform game.

Nintendo only fault is not adjusting to the longer development time of HD development. They simply cannot pay developers for ports. It's a strategy Nintendo long ago admitted to never persuing, it would bleed them dry. They're not Sony and Microsoft, they can't outspend them for timed exclusives.

Didn't people bitch that Skyward sword was too different than regular Zelda?

I will say this. And please dont take this the wrong way.

Smash Bros has done almost nothing to change the formula. Its almost just a roster upgrade. And even in that, its more of the same too.

Mario Kart seems to be taking a few tidbits from F-Zero, Wipeout and Sonic Racing Transrofmed, so Im ok with the changes incoming for this title.

Xenoblade is pretty safe bet to excite fans.

Zelad. Again, Bombs to open walls, find the bow and arrow somewhere in the map, Theres gonna be a bommerang as well, link does not use voice overs, a spin attack. Rince wash repeat. 

Kirby has lost its flair over the past game or so. Its better Nintendo keeps it to the handhelds.

Metroid would do well with classic controls. Only if Nintendo does not make it 1st person and not too much of a fetch/ scan quest. Really, the worst thing about metroid prime was having to scan every damb thing. Got real booring.

Donkey Kong TF LOOKS EXACTLY like DK country. Put those games side by side and most gamers would not know they were on different systems. Same map layout, same sidekicks (sans kranky), same machanics. Copy paste repeat.

Mario. Listen carefully. THERE ARE TOO MANY MARIO GAMES. Mario Sticker star, Super Mario U, Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, Mario Kart, Paper Mario, Mario and Sonic. There is no reason for a Super Mario Wii-U and Super Luigi Wii-U. NONE. They both look and play the same. New Super Mario 3D World is just another copy paste of SMW in 3D. 

Im going to stop there cause my point is, Nintendo needs to stop being safe and take chances. Release new ip's. Pikmin W101 & were the last real new and exciting games that Nintendo has released in years. And fact is, there reall just ok games. Nintendo fans also have to take a stand. I love me some old franchises just like the other guy, but if you guys/gals keep buying these copy paste games, Nintendo will only continue to keep releasing them. I play on Playstation and 1 thing that I am certin of and has been for the last 10 or so years is that the Playstation brand will always release new and unique ip's. 

Japan Studios, Naughty Dog Uncharted,Zipper Interactive Socom, Evolution Motorstorm,  Insomniac Ratchet & Clank,S.O.E.,  SantaMonica StudiosGod Of War, Media Molicule LBP, Studio Liverpool Wipeout, Sucker Punch inFamous, Polyphony Digital Gran Turismo, Guerrilla Games Killzone,  Sony Bend Sypon Filter. 

These are some of the reasons that I support the Playstation, that and I will always get if not all 3rd party titles released on a console powerful enough to run current gen games. 

Nintendo makes great games, the problem is that they have not CREATED a NEW experience in a long LONG time. 

Time for change my friend.