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What do you think about Nintendo's attitude?

Awful, they should fail i... 189 14.04%
 
Pretty Bad, they should l... 385 28.60%
 
Not bad, they're just as anybody else 188 13.97%
 
Good, we need more like them 389 28.90%
 
Excellent, they don't need to change one bit 173 12.85%
 
Total:1,324
S.Peelman on 01 March 2014
Zod95 said:
S.Peelman said:

I have a third franchise for you; Pokémon.

There have been a whopping five Pokémon games on PC and a staggering seven Pokémon games on a SEGA children's educational system. All from the '90s and '00s and I might add. But alas, they are children's games so maybe "they don't count" like those educational games and that mini-game collection I mentioned, or better yet they only "half-count" like the enhanced ports of NES games seiya19 mentioned, and the goalposts need to be moved again. Do I also need to mention Nintendo licenced products by Nelsonic and Coleco?

I'm lost. How many games are there on non-Nintendo systems again? My count's at 25 right now.

I appreciate your effort, but listing programs that aren't developed by Nintendo and some are not even considered games is not that much of an argument to contradict the OP, is it? Do you know what your examples remind me of? Chintendo Vii: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vii

Anyway, those "Nintendo games" are real treasures. If you know about more, please post them here. Thank you.

Predictable. I don't see how games on systems other than Nintendo-systems with input, licensing, publishing in some cases and other help from Nintendo themselves remind you of a Chinese pirate console.

You keep calling these games 'programs' and dismissing them as 'real games', whatever that means, but the fact remains there are now 25 games on the table that prove it's a lie that Nintendo is "not letting any of their games to be launched out of their platforms". I would advice you to actually look up what each of these 25 games are, because they are most definitely 'games'. It's completely irrelevant what you think of them, whether or not they are made for your demographic or whether or not they meet some kind of quality standard you have. The fact remains they are there, they are games, and that's all that's needed.

For someone who keeps hammering on facts, you're really having a hard time taking them when they are presented.

By the by, do you know of the iQue? Maybe that joined-venture fits your criteria.

Here, some box-arts for you to liven up this thread and give it some color:



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S.Peelman on 01 March 2014
RolStoppable said:
MDMAlliance said:
RolStoppable said:

You are both idiots, because you take it for granted that the premise under contention is correct/reasonable.

What are you referring to?  

That it's somehow a negative thing that Nintendo releases their games only on Nintendo hardware.

Yeah I know that's another thing, but I kind of got rolled into this part... Which I regret .



cannonballZ on 01 March 2014
S.Peelman said:

Predictable. I don't see how games on systems other than Nintendo-systems with input, licensing, publishing in some cases and other help from Nintendo themselves remind you of a Chinese pirate console.

You keep calling these games 'programs' and dismissing them as 'real games', whatever that means, but the fact remains there are now 25 games on the table that prove it's a lie that Nintendo is "not letting any of their games to be launched out of their platforms". I would advice you to actually look up what each of these 25 games are, because they are most definitely 'games'. It's completely irrelevant what you think of them, whether or not they are made for your demographic or whether or not they meet some kind of quality standard you have. The fact remains they are there, they are games, and that's all that's needed.

For someone who keeps hammering on facts, you're really having a hard time taking them when they are presented.

By the by, do you know of the iQue? Maybe that joined-venture fits your criteria.

Here, some box-arts for you to liven up this thread and give it some color:


It doesn't matter what evidence or facts you present to him, he will keep on moving goal posts. He won't accept any facts he wasn't able to dig up himself and present biasedly.



MDMAlliance on 01 March 2014
RolStoppable said:
MDMAlliance said:

I think Zod's the one expressing that it's a negative thing.  Of course, it's also not true either.  You're not messing with me, though, are you?

Yes, he is expressing it that way. And instead of making it clear that it is not a negative thing, you guys try to find all kinds of Nintendo IPs on non-Nintendo platforms to counter him. Even if that were the route you insist on taking, then you should talk about Sony publishing games on Nintendo hardware and eventually stopping it.


The reason why I'm even talking about it is because earlier on in here, he wanted me to prove something he said was not true.  He still believes he only presented facts.  I presented multiple false statements.  He chose this one specifically and wanted me to substantiate that it's actually false.
This post: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6111595

I have already, much earlier, made the point that it isn't even a bad thing and that Microsoft and Sony aren't even doing what he claims is the thing Nintendo should do.



S.Peelman on 01 March 2014
cannonballZ said:

It doesn't matter what evidence or facts you present to him, he will keep on moving goal posts. He won't accept any facts he wasn't able to dig up himself and present biasedly.

Yes, I'm stunned.



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Zod95 on 01 March 2014
MDMAlliance said:
Zod95 said:
MDMAlliance said:
Zod95 said:

"Given the release dates, we can perceive it was in times when Nintendo was about to start the console business. Any games from the 90s onwards produced by Nintendo and launched on the PC or other consoles? If so, then the OP is wrong and I must correct it. If not, then the OP is just fine since it doesn't say that Nintendo has never launched games on other systems, just that they have engaged into such a strategy (at some point)."

Moreover, the OP talks about the present and the past, not about future intentions of openess to maybe...


Re-read what you, yourself, have said.  Also, Nintendo started the console business in the 80's.  Also, future intentions matter in this case given that you also say that Nintendo's trying to "tell" us something.  The fact that they have this considered means in itself that it's not true, and the fact they have done it in the past means that they have had this mindset before.  

I wouldn't have mentioned this point in particular if you #1 didn't make a false statement about Nintendo not having released any of their games for PC (even if you didn't say the word "any," the context no doubt says it given the lack of parameters.) and #2 state Nintendo's intentions based off of your false interpretation of what you thought was the truth.

You fail to understand the underlined text.

Future intentions do matter but you also fail to understand that I was being sarcastic. I was trying to tell that those are far from being proven intentions. We still have to wait for some actions to really believe on those intentions.


Except the OP does say that Nintendo don't have games on PC (or other systems).  It doesn't even matter if Nintendo wants an environment of "exclusiveness" with their games anyway, given that it makes perfect sense and competition does it all the same.  The reason multiplatforms exist is because 3rd parties exist.  They do so to get as much exposure with their software as possible while still profiting.  If Nintendo were to do what you are saying, it would mean Nintendo would be going 3rd party.  

Look at what you posted, though.  You are saying that Nintendo is telling consumers that "no matter what, Nintendo games will EVER only be played on Nintendo consoles."  

You should reread what you say yourself.

edit:  You should be aware that you can't call it sarcasm and also say that it isn't a lie.

Because that's not relevant in that context and would actually confuse the reader. If a company decides to take the route A, taking the measures A1, A2 and A3 why would you say they also did B1 since it was before the route A decision and has nothing to do with that?

Anyway, the text of the OP is correct and that's what you can't admit. You'll never do it. You'll just find some more issues in the way, and then some more...

The competition doesn't do the same. Look, for example, at how many games from Sony Online Entertainment are for PC:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Online_Entertainment

They are really games, they are developed by Sony and they are from different years until nowadways (not something about a past that doesn't apply anymore).

And you are (probably on purpose) mixing up the absence of lies on the OP with the presence of sarcasm on one of my recent posts. Nice move, it only shows what you really are.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

S.Peelman on 01 March 2014
Zod95 said:
(..)

The competition doesn't do the same. Look, for example, at how many games from Sony Online Entertainment are for PC:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Online_Entertainment

They are really games, they are developed by Sony and they are from different years until nowadways (not something about a past that doesn't apply anymore).

(..)

Well, those just "half-count" anyway.



Captain_Tom on 01 March 2014

I skimmed it, and I mostly agree. With the exception of the Wii, Nintendo has always chased innovation as apposed to leading in like Playstation has for 20 years, and Xbox did with its first one.

Right now I think Nintendo is gonna go through what Sony is just getting over: Old leadership that sinks the company.

Eventually Nintendo will grow up.



Zod95 on 01 March 2014
S.Peelman said:
Zod95 said:
S.Peelman said:

I have a third franchise for you; Pokémon.

There have been a whopping five Pokémon games on PC and a staggering seven Pokémon games on a SEGA children's educational system. All from the '90s and '00s and I might add. But alas, they are children's games so maybe "they don't count" like those educational games and that mini-game collection I mentioned, or better yet they only "half-count" like the enhanced ports of NES games seiya19 mentioned, and the goalposts need to be moved again. Do I also need to mention Nintendo licenced products by Nelsonic and Coleco?

I'm lost. How many games are there on non-Nintendo systems again? My count's at 25 right now.

I appreciate your effort, but listing programs that aren't developed by Nintendo and some are not even considered games is not that much of an argument to contradict the OP, is it? Do you know what your examples remind me of? Chintendo Vii: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vii

Anyway, those "Nintendo games" are real treasures. If you know about more, please post them here. Thank you.

Predictable. I don't see how games on systems other than Nintendo-systems with input, licensing, publishing in some cases and other help from Nintendo themselves remind you of a Chinese pirate console.

You keep calling these games 'programs' and dismissing them as 'real games', whatever that means, but the fact remains there are now 25 games on the table that prove it's a lie that Nintendo is "not letting any of their games to be launched out of their platforms". I would advice you to actually look up what each of these 25 games are, because they are most definitely 'games'. It's completely irrelevant what you think of them, whether or not they are made for your demographic or whether or not they meet some kind of quality standard you have. The fact remains they are there, they are games, and that's all that's needed.

For someone who keeps hammering on facts, you're really having a hard time taking them when they are presented.

By the by, do you know of the iQue? Maybe that joined-venture fits your criteria.

Here, some box-arts for you to liven up this thread and give it some color:

Wikipedia: "Pokémon Project Studio is a computer program released by The Learning Company on November 9, 1999 in the U.S. This program lets the user create all kinds of Pokémon related projects such as calendars or greeting cards. Each version had stock artwork of different Generation I Pokémon. Some Pokémon were version-specific—for example, Kangaskhan was only available in Blue version, whereas Tauros was only available in Red version. Stock art of human characters like Ash Ketchum and Professor Oak was also included, and users could also add photos and images saved on their own computer."

@bold: that's not a quote from the OP. The OP is correct, Nintendo has engaged into that strategy and it's not said there when it was, but it certainly happened and despite your 25 examples, you can't find a single one that is recent and developed by Nintendo and described by Wikipedia (or other sites) as being a game. Again, the OP is correct, even if you don't want to admit it.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

MDMAlliance on 01 March 2014
RolStoppable said:
MDMAlliance said:

The reason why I'm even talking about it is because earlier on in here, he wanted me to prove something he said was not true.  He still believes he only presented facts.  I presented multiple false statements.  He chose this one specifically and wanted me to substantiate that it's actually false.
This post: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6111595

I have already, much earlier, made the point that it isn't even a bad thing and that Microsoft and Sony aren't even doing what he claims is the thing Nintendo should do.

If nothing changed, yet you still try, that makes you all the more an idiot. Withdrawal or trolling are the only answers.

I was hoping that the more we chisel it down, the closer we would get to him realizing his mistake.  Of course, if you look at his most recent reply to me it looks like the argument went full circle.

edit: Also, I am doing one of those two things right now with the thread I linked in my sig.