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What do you think about Nintendo's attitude?

Awful, they should fail i... 189 14.04%
 
Pretty Bad, they should l... 385 28.60%
 
Not bad, they're just as anybody else 188 13.97%
 
Good, we need more like them 389 28.90%
 
Excellent, they don't need to change one bit 173 12.85%
 
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Zod95 on 01 March 2014
MDMAlliance said:
Zod95 said:
MDMAlliance said:

Except for the fact that the context of what you said doesn't change the fact that you're wrong about that statement.  And the argument of "environment of exclusivity" is also wrong given that Nintendo's recent meeting pretty much outright told us they were considering using non-Nintendo hardware for games.  Maybe not fully, but you seriously cannot expect that from any of the big 3.  

Also, saying nothing is 100% accurate is just a scapegoat for you.  "100% accuracy" here refers to things regarded as truths in history, and since there's little to no other interpretation of these historical facts that counter your absolute statements, I can pretty much say with "100% accuracy" that you're wrong.

You're saying I'm being picky but I'm actually not at all.  I pointed out MANY things in your OP that were wrong.  I actually could have picked out a LOT more if I were trying to be picky.  In reality, you're just deluded, not us.

You are again circling around the issue instead of going right to the point. You are yet to prove that this part of the OP is a lie:

"Not letting any of their games to be launched out of their consoles (not even on PC) was a way to tell the consumer that, no matter what, Nintendo games will ever only be played on Nintendo consoles."

The argument continues to be valid even with the examples of seiya19 and S.Peelman, which haven't "saved" you at all.


You say I am circling the issue rather than going right to the point.  However, we have already showed the evidence that Nintendo has let two of their franchises release on PC (a separate system) and they have even said in their recent meeting that they were open to using their IP's on smart phones, even maybe for games.  http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/140130/03.html Here is a place to go as proof.

"Given the release dates, we can perceive it was in times when Nintendo was about to start the console business. Any games from the 90s onwards produced by Nintendo and launched on the PC or other consoles? If so, then the OP is wrong and I must correct it. If not, then the OP is just fine since it doesn't say that Nintendo has never launched games on other systems, just that they have engaged into such a strategy (at some point)."

Moreover, the OP talks about the present and the past, not about future intentions of openess to maybe...



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MDMAlliance on 01 March 2014
Zod95 said:
MDMAlliance said:
Zod95 said:

You are again circling around the issue instead of going right to the point. You are yet to prove that this part of the OP is a lie:

"Not letting any of their games to be launched out of their consoles (not even on PC) was a way to tell the consumer that, no matter what, Nintendo games will ever only be played on Nintendo consoles."

The argument continues to be valid even with the examples of seiya19 and S.Peelman, which haven't "saved" you at all.


You say I am circling the issue rather than going right to the point.  However, we have already showed the evidence that Nintendo has let two of their franchises release on PC (a separate system) and they have even said in their recent meeting that they were open to using their IP's on smart phones, even maybe for games.  http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/140130/03.html Here is a place to go as proof.

"Given the release dates, we can perceive it was in times when Nintendo was about to start the console business. Any games from the 90s onwards produced by Nintendo and launched on the PC or other consoles? If so, then the OP is wrong and I must correct it. If not, then the OP is just fine since it doesn't say that Nintendo has never launched games on other systems, just that they have engaged into such a strategy (at some point)."

Moreover, the OP talks about the present and the past, not about future intentions of openess to maybe...


Re-read what you, yourself, have said.  Also, Nintendo started the console business in the 80's.  Also, future intentions matter in this case given that you also say that Nintendo's trying to "tell" us something.  The fact that they have this considered means in itself that it's not true, and the fact they have done it in the past means that they have had this mindset before.  

I wouldn't have mentioned this point in particular if you #1 didn't make a false statement about Nintendo not having released any of their games for PC (even if you didn't say the word "any," the context no doubt says it given the lack of parameters.) and #2 state Nintendo's intentions based off of your false interpretation of what you thought was the truth.



S.Peelman on 01 March 2014
Zod95 said:

You are again circling around the issue instead of going right to the point. You are yet to prove that this part of the OP is a lie:

"Not letting any of their games to be launched out of their consoles (not even on PC) was a way to tell the consumer that, no matter what, Nintendo games will ever only be played on Nintendo consoles."

The argument continues to be valid even with the examples of seiya19 and S.Peelman, which haven't "saved" you at all.

I have a third franchise for you; Pokémon.

There have been a whopping five Pokémon games on PC and a staggering seven Pokémon games on a SEGA children's educational system. All from the '90s and '00s and I might add. But alas, they are children's games so maybe "they don't count" like those educational games and that mini-game collection I mentioned, or better yet they only "half-count" like the enhanced ports of NES games seiya19 mentioned, and the goalposts need to be moved again. Do I also need to mention Nintendo licenced products by Nelsonic and Coleco?

I'm lost. How many games are there on non-Nintendo systems again? My count's at 25 right now.



MDMAlliance on 01 March 2014
S.Peelman said:
Zod95 said:

You are again circling around the issue instead of going right to the point. You are yet to prove that this part of the OP is a lie:

"Not letting any of their games to be launched out of their consoles (not even on PC) was a way to tell the consumer that, no matter what, Nintendo games will ever only be played on Nintendo consoles."

The argument continues to be valid even with the examples of seiya19 and S.Peelman, which haven't "saved" you at all.

I have a third franchise for you; Pokémon.

There have been a whopping five Pokémon games on PC and a staggering seven Pokémon games on a SEGA children's educational system. All from the nineties I might add. But alas, they are children's games so maybe "they don't count" like those educational games and that mini-game collection I mentioned, or better yet they only "half-count" like the enhanced ports of NES games seiya19 mentioned, and the goalposts need to be moved again. Do I also need to mention Nintendo licenced products by Nelsonic and Coleco?

I'm lost. How many games are there on non-Nintendo systems again? My count's at 25 right now.

"Elitism"... Heh, talk about 'elitism'.


I can just hear it now:  "Pokemon isn't a 1st party game" (even though Pokemon is Nintendo's IP)



S.Peelman on 01 March 2014
MDMAlliance said:

I can just hear it now:  "Pokemon isn't a 1st party game" (even though Pokemon is Nintendo's IP)

Then I could just as well give up, there's no breaking through such bitterness .



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Zod95 on 01 March 2014
S.Peelman said:
Zod95 said:

You are again circling around the issue instead of going right to the point. You are yet to prove that this part of the OP is a lie:

"Not letting any of their games to be launched out of their consoles (not even on PC) was a way to tell the consumer that, no matter what, Nintendo games will ever only be played on Nintendo consoles."

The argument continues to be valid even with the examples of seiya19 and S.Peelman, which haven't "saved" you at all.

I have a third franchise for you; Pokémon.

There have been a whopping five Pokémon games on PC and a staggering seven Pokémon games on a SEGA children's educational system. All from the '90s and '00s and I might add. But alas, they are children's games so maybe "they don't count" like those educational games and that mini-game collection I mentioned, or better yet they only "half-count" like the enhanced ports of NES games seiya19 mentioned, and the goalposts need to be moved again. Do I also need to mention Nintendo licenced products by Nelsonic and Coleco?

I'm lost. How many games are there on non-Nintendo systems again? My count's at 25 right now.

I appreciate your effort, but listing programs that aren't developed by Nintendo and some are not even considered games is not that much of an argument to contradict the OP, is it? Do you know what your examples remind me of? Chintendo Vii: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vii

Anyway, those "Nintendo games" are real treasures. If you know about more, please post them here. Thank you.



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MDMAlliance on 01 March 2014
RolStoppable said:
S.Peelman said:
MDMAlliance said:

I can just hear it now:  "Pokemon isn't a 1st party game" (even though Pokemon is Nintendo's IP)

Then I could just as well give up, there's no breaking through such bitterness .

You are both idiots, because you take it for granted that the premise under contention is correct/reasonable.


What are you referring to?  



Zod95 on 01 March 2014
MDMAlliance said:
Zod95 said:
MDMAlliance said:
Zod95 said:

You are again circling around the issue instead of going right to the point. You are yet to prove that this part of the OP is a lie:

"Not letting any of their games to be launched out of their consoles (not even on PC) was a way to tell the consumer that, no matter what, Nintendo games will ever only be played on Nintendo consoles."

The argument continues to be valid even with the examples of seiya19 and S.Peelman, which haven't "saved" you at all.


You say I am circling the issue rather than going right to the point.  However, we have already showed the evidence that Nintendo has let two of their franchises release on PC (a separate system) and they have even said in their recent meeting that they were open to using their IP's on smart phones, even maybe for games.  http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/140130/03.html Here is a place to go as proof.

"Given the release dates, we can perceive it was in times when Nintendo was about to start the console business. Any games from the 90s onwards produced by Nintendo and launched on the PC or other consoles? If so, then the OP is wrong and I must correct it. If not, then the OP is just fine since it doesn't say that Nintendo has never launched games on other systems, just that they have engaged into such a strategy (at some point)."

Moreover, the OP talks about the present and the past, not about future intentions of openess to maybe...


Re-read what you, yourself, have said.  Also, Nintendo started the console business in the 80's.  Also, future intentions matter in this case given that you also say that Nintendo's trying to "tell" us something.  The fact that they have this considered means in itself that it's not true, and the fact they have done it in the past means that they have had this mindset before.  

I wouldn't have mentioned this point in particular if you #1 didn't make a false statement about Nintendo not having released any of their games for PC (even if you didn't say the word "any," the context no doubt says it given the lack of parameters.) and #2 state Nintendo's intentions based off of your false interpretation of what you thought was the truth.

You fail to understand the underlined text.

Future intentions do matter but you also fail to understand that I was being sarcastic. I was trying to tell that those are far from being proven intentions. We still have to wait for some actions to really believe on those intentions.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

MDMAlliance on 01 March 2014
Zod95 said:
MDMAlliance said:
Zod95 said:

"Given the release dates, we can perceive it was in times when Nintendo was about to start the console business. Any games from the 90s onwards produced by Nintendo and launched on the PC or other consoles? If so, then the OP is wrong and I must correct it. If not, then the OP is just fine since it doesn't say that Nintendo has never launched games on other systems, just that they have engaged into such a strategy (at some point)."

Moreover, the OP talks about the present and the past, not about future intentions of openess to maybe...


Re-read what you, yourself, have said.  Also, Nintendo started the console business in the 80's.  Also, future intentions matter in this case given that you also say that Nintendo's trying to "tell" us something.  The fact that they have this considered means in itself that it's not true, and the fact they have done it in the past means that they have had this mindset before.  

I wouldn't have mentioned this point in particular if you #1 didn't make a false statement about Nintendo not having released any of their games for PC (even if you didn't say the word "any," the context no doubt says it given the lack of parameters.) and #2 state Nintendo's intentions based off of your false interpretation of what you thought was the truth.

You fail to understand the underlined text.

Future intentions do matter but you also fail to understand that I was being sarcastic. I was trying to tell that those are far from being proven intentions. We still have to wait for some actions to really believe on those intentions.


Except the OP does say that Nintendo don't have games on PC (or other systems).  It doesn't even matter if Nintendo wants an environment of "exclusiveness" with their games anyway, given that it makes perfect sense and competition does it all the same.  The reason multiplatforms exist is because 3rd parties exist.  They do so to get as much exposure with their software as possible while still profiting.  If Nintendo were to do what you are saying, it would mean Nintendo would be going 3rd party.  

Look at what you posted, though.  You are saying that Nintendo is telling consumers that "no matter what, Nintendo games will EVER only be played on Nintendo consoles."  

You should reread what you say yourself.

edit:  You should be aware that you can't call it sarcasm and also say that it isn't a lie.



MDMAlliance on 01 March 2014
RolStoppable said:
MDMAlliance said:
RolStoppable said:

You are both idiots, because you take it for granted that the premise under contention is correct/reasonable.

What are you referring to?  

That it's somehow a negative thing that Nintendo releases their games only on Nintendo hardware.

I think Zod's the one expressing that it's a negative thing.  Of course, it's also not true either.  You're not messing with me, though, are you?