No Nintendo= No Successful Gaming Business It wouldn't have happened without them. Even the play station is a byproduct of Nintendo.(Albeit it is their fault.) Nintendo will bite back soon. This is just another phase. The gamecube era. Okay graphics, great games, yet poor sales. They need to ditch the Wii system unit and move on. I don't think Mario Kart or Zelda will even save Nintendo right now. But look at that Xbox though. Why aren't we talking about that?

"Mario is Missing"

"Mario's Time Machine"

"Mario Teaches Typing"

"Mario Teaches Typing 2"

"Mario's Game Gallery"

("Super Mario Bros. & Friends: When I Grow Up")

Mario games co-developed with Nintendo for PC. The first two are also on NES and SNES. The last one is just a Mario Paint-style program specifically for children, so scratch that as a 'true game', but it's there nonetheless. I know of just these five but maybe there's more, no matter though, it just takes one to prove you're wrong doesn't it?

I find it funny that you say that your thread wasn't with the intention of causing havoc. Because I think that's the purpose of it, you just hide it behind rational arguments and "facts".

I have to agree with you though, this thread is out of hand and there is no way you will be able to reply to all those posts. It's like you want people to change their perception of Nintendo and that just won't happen, you can reply and reply and reply but they won't change their views about Nintendo.

You can't shove your OP into our throats and expect us to swallow it. I feel somewhat ashamed that you where called a potential journalist.

The most hilarious thing is that you are leaving this thread like this, saying: "I won because my arguments can't be proven wrong". Of course we can't zod95, you always reply, and you always twist things, you can't win a match against a wall.

If you want to say you won, then so be it, you won. Nintendo is a horrible company, it just makes low budget games and they are a cancer to the industry.

Looks like someone already did that for me.  Also, believe it or not, Nintendo ALSO announced this year that they will be making applications for smart phones, and maybe even some games (not full-fledged games, but still) using their IP's, so that's another thing that proves your statement wrong.

edit: Also, actually, here's this too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-i_games_from_The_Legend_of_Zelda_series

Yeah, didn't mean to steal your thunder... I just couldn't resist because I even played some of them when I was a kid .

Those are neither videogames (rather educational software) nor developed by Nintendo. I could even take that as a promotion strategy for the real Mario games, which never left Nintendo consoles. Videogame marchandising has many forms and educational software is a poor excuse to counter-argue that Nintendo has tried to create a pronounced environment of exclusivity.

Ironically, I am the one accused of bias.

I tell you what: accuracy is one thing, falsehood is another. Is the OP 100% accurate? Probably not. But does it have blatant lies? So far, it seems it doesn't. Nothing is 100% accurate and even the most professional journalistic articles would be "proven" to hold blatant lies with posters as picky as you commenting on them. You can torture the facts as you want, but that only shows your true colors.

No, you were simply wrong.  You're now trying to redefine what a video game is.  They were clearly video games.  You're also doing your best to avoid replying to me directly because you know that I would just tear it apart.  Your statement was saying Nintendo games.  Mario & Zelda are both Nintendo games, whether or not Nintendo directly developed them or not.  Nintendo had given permission for them to be developed onto the PC.  

Also, Sony and Microsoft is just about the same when it comes to this "exclusivity" you're talking about.  Maybe Microsoft less so... but primarily because Microsoft is a PC software company that has a console brand so it really doesn't make sense to include Microsoft.  

Also, accuracy and falsehood are pretty much hand-in-hand things.  If you aren't 100% accurate, your argument contains false information unless otherwise stated it isn't completely accurate (and you did NOT do this, you in fact claim you were 100% accurate by saying there isn't anything in your OP that is false).

This isn't about being picky.  You're outright changing what you said so it makes it seem like you weren't posting lies.

I haven't won, and I told you that. Neither Nintendo's reputation was adjusted according to Nintendo's real actions nor those actions were proven to be wrong and thus get adjusted according to Nintendo's reputation. The chasm continues to exist.

I didn't try to make anyone swallow the OP and I asked many times for people to prove me wrong. But see what they want me to swallow: Nintendo never tried to create an environment of exclusivity because of a very limited amount software that wasn't even produced by them and that was just part of a promotional move.

Sometimes I feel it's about a fight between my rationality and your love for Nintendo.

You want to be picky rather than looking at the context of each statement and the message behind, go ahead. I just reafirm there's a difference between accuracy and falsehood. And, since nothing is 100% accurate, I guess it's pointless to ever telling so whenever an article, an OP or a simple post is published.

If you claim I'm changing what I said, why don't you go look the OP and see whether or not I'm talking about an environment of exclusivity precisely like I am now? See:

"As mentioned earlier, Nintendo has always tried to keep the perceived value of their products as high as possible. That could only have been done with a solid and long-term strategy based on exclusivity and elitism. Not letting any of their games to be launched out of their consoles (not even on PC) was a way to tell the consumer that, no matter what, Nintendo games will ever only be played on Nintendo consoles."

And I haven't avoided replying to you directly. I just quote what I have to. That quote was also (mainly btw) a reply to you.

Because there is no proving you wrong, I saw that in the Unity thread and it all continues in this thread. I saw plenty of arguments against your OP but you dissmiss everything, as I said it's like talking to a wall and I told you that in the Unity thread once. You just keep replying, there is no "argument" against you because you aren't willing to reconsider parts of your OP, specially since a lot of what you say is personal opinion and there is no changing that. There are parts of your OP that are legit though, mainly the parts that can be taken as facts as the Nintendo mistreament of third parties in the 3rd gen. But there are parts like the first paragraphs that are your own opinion, or twisted logic.

Well it certainly feels like you want us to swallow it. As I said if there is no proving you wrong so then what other option do we have but to agree with you in the end? Otherwise we could make this thread as long as the Unity one.

Sometimes I feel it's not worth replying, you will keep on replying until I shut up. But this time I'll follow you, I'll reply for as long as you want.