Still ignoring my questions, how can an SDK make x1 GPU catch up to a better gpu??  (HInt it cannot)Sony's SDK will also im prove.  Hardware is fact, the PS4 has 40% moe gpu power. Where aree the dice comments?? They don;t exist. What does it being a first gen game have to do with anything? That game will make PC's work hard, you are grasping at straws.

ESRAM does ZERO graphics processing so how will that help the x1 weaker gpu?? Still waiting. A weaker GPU will always fail to run games as well as a better one period. Unless MS some magic and unkown alien tech in theri SDK lol.

That "thank you package" was a legal requirement because they reduced the retail earlier than a new product is allowed to be reduced without compensation. Though with the games being £44.99 and the controller being about £30, the compensation was worth more than the reduction so I actually ended up getting an Xbox the week before the price drop kicked in for a the freebies :D

I think the XB1 has just lasted long enough to avoid that requirement. Though I'd have thought a few months free XBL or something would be nice to give existing XB1 owners.

But yeah, they grossly miscalculated with the original Xbox (they did the £ = $ pricing thing so what lauched at £300 in the UK, launched for like £200 in the US 6 months earlier) add in that the PS2 had just had it's price drop to £199 and had the likes of MGS2 and FFX hitting the market and Nintendo's £149 RRP for the GC (which ended up being £129 by the time it came out as they did a pre launch price drop).

Last time. YOU BROUGHT UP THE BLOODY GPU. I WAS DISCUSSING WHY CURRENT GAMES WERENT 1080p. DEVS TOLD US WHY. VERY SPECIFICALLY BLAMING THE ESRAM and ITS 32 MBS. I EVEN STATED I EXPECT THE PS4 TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE MORE EFFECTS, HEY WHO KNOWS MAYBE 5,000k EXTRA POLYS ON SOME CHARACTERS TO. BUT IT WONT BE THAT NOTICEABLE. I ALREADY POSTED YOU ALL OF THIS.

You keep saying 50% 50% 50% like its going to suddenly make me go yeah all the devs are wrong the games are going to look significantly better on PS4. When noone is saying that at all. And your trying to use ESRAMS resolution problems as a show for 50% more power.

Now seriously think about the thread, and what Ive already actually said.

It will be noticeable, what you see now is the norm all generatiuon, ESRAM and SDK will have almost no bearing it's PR fud.  The GPU gap is big that the x1 cannot voercome period, and it will get worse: These are launch cross gen games, it will get much worse.

http://gamingbolt.com/industry-insider-believes-that-watch_dogs-ps4-will-be-better-expects-performance-to-widen-in-future

Can you stop trying to show me the PS4 will have better effects/ more and better detailed characters etc? I agree with you, just not as much as you claim. Based on MANY developers saying so. So Its not like my reasons on this are my own.

At the bolded.

Its this I cant argue with. Thats your theory and conspiracy. You have no proof that they are blatantly lying.

I only listen to developers ACTUAL developers on what we can expect from consoles and why they can and cant do something on said platform or architecture. Thats actually me being very smart, as there is alot of fanboy crap on the net. And even more so when lots of devs are saying the same thing.

Selnor I don't know why you even try, the guy heard one thing and thinks thats it.

Yeah I know. I have been staying out of this kind of thing lately. But this was wierd. How does someone completely miss the boat like that? Anyway Im done with it now. Hopefully my 2 posts makes him realise he wennt way off what I originally even talked about. At least I didnt go off the rails and get banned like I used to. I controlled myself, thanks to the force. :)

Funny that the 499$ XB1 Titanfall bundle is at 6th position at Amazon.com while the standalone PS4 is at the 12th postition at minimum 512$ from resellers.

Well the used PS4s begin at 499$ though.

Hardware is cold hard facts, the only conspiracy theorists here is you, period. You still could not answer or refute anything I said. What devs?? Not one dev refutes the ps4 GPU is more powerfull because it is FACT. You are taking vague PR and hyping it up as some kind of hardware miracle MS can somehoe come up with., A better gpu is a betetr gpu period, and it si NOT just a tiny difference. You should not comment on hardware if all you can do is copy and paste quotes out of context. You are posting what you HOPE will happen, even if it si physically impossible. Same devs ypou quotedm their gamjes run 50% better on ps4. Irony. It's PR.

Heard??? Look at the specs..facts. Selnor has a long history of FUD and baseless posts.