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fory77 on 20 February 2014

WiiU, Vita and XBone - The sub-50k Club



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POE on 20 February 2014
pezus said:
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Oh. Then what was your point? There's no denying that most of the apparent "contraction" is due to Nintendo's recent fall from grace after enjoying a few short years at the top of everything.

3rd party publishers failing again and again to make a viable profit on Nintendo's consoles, while many of them enjoy massive successes on MS and Sony's.

Yet here you are saying MS and Sony are to blame. I don't get your logic.

Mummelman said that: And guess which manufacturer will contribute the most to the coming market contraction?

I was saying that this industry is dying for other reason: High costs.

So really not very relevant to the thread then? I thought you were basing it on this week's hardware sales.


Of course i am!! With sales like this weeks, do you think any third party can make a profit?

Yes...I don't see why not. PS4 has a bigger userbase than any console before it at the same point in time, combined with amazing 3rd party sales (which Wii didn't have). Sony winning over Nintendo can only be a good thing for the industry as a whole, since Nintendo were practically the only ones that profited from Wii (and the random 3rd party here and there) while Sony consoles usually sell 3rd party software really well.

Ok, long live PlayStation!



vkaraujo on 20 February 2014
Kresnik said:
Shadow1980 said:

Because Japan. They really don't like the Wii U.


I think Japan's love for the WiiU is a lot stronger than the USA's love for Vita, though, so I'm not quite sure that's the reason :P


I don't think they dislike Wii U that much, is DK that don't have that much strength there.

Being between Dragon Quest launch and PS4 launch, certainly didn't help either.



Normchacho on 20 February 2014
fatslob-:O said:
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You said that the numbers were "bad news for Sony" and they just aren't. Who's numbers are comparing the real numbers to? Who thought the PS4 was going to have a better January and February than the Wii? It sounds more like someone just preditced wrong than this being an issue for Sony.

When did I say that the numbers are bad news for Sony ? These numbers are half decent and it's falling out of our expectations. 


"This doesn't sound good for the PS4 ..." That was your first post on this thread. Which is equal in meaning to "This sounds bad for the PS4"

You've also yet to explain whos expectations the PS4 is falling short of.

That's wrong but I can see people getting that expression so I should clarify there for moment to say that the PS4 isn't doing good or bad and is instead doing decent although with a slight balance towards the bad side.

It's fallen short of everyone's expectations on this forum seeing as how people are running around screeming undertracked which means that there's alot of panicking or their either damage controlling the situation at hand. 


Well no, that's actually what that means. "doesn't" is a contraction of "does not". "Not" being an auxilery word used to turn a phrase to it's negative. In this case "Good" would be the affected word which in it's negative turns into "bad".

How is the second best January ever (with February likely to follow) "decent although with a slight balance towards that bad"?

Once again, who's numbers are you going off of? Who said it was going to outsell the Wii in January and February? Please, let me know. VGchartz has also been consisently undertracking the PS4 so why would it change all of a sudden?

No it doesn't. This isn't binary. There are THREE states. 

Nobody was expecting it to outsell the WII for january and february but everyone was expecting it to be comparable and the PS4 has fallen short of it. BTW the undertracking hasn't being all that huge. 

According to Merian-Webster the first full definition of "Not" is, 1- Used as a function word to make negative a group of words or a word. The antonym of "good" is "bad".

So "nobody" was expecting it outsell the wii for those months but "everyody" was expecting them to be comparable? Even if that were remotely provable that doesn't change the fact that both compared to it's current competition and historically the PS4 is selling very, very well.



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Xenostar on 20 February 2014
POE said:
Mummelmann said:
POE said:
Console.... industry..... dying.....
This model does not work, wake up people!!


And guess which manufacturer will contribute the most to the coming market contraction?

At least you seem to have faced the facts, which is good news I guess. I agree that the traditional model is going out of fashion, in several senses of the word.

The same manufacturer wich expanded it to insane levels.


not sure how you figure that when wii is 50m short of PS2 total



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Justagamer on 20 February 2014
pezus said:
POE said:
pezus said:
POE said:
Mummelmann said:
POE said:
Console.... industry..... dying.....
This model does not work, wake up people!!


And guess which manufacturer will contribute the most to the coming market contraction?

At least you seem to have faced the facts, which is good news I guess. I agree that the traditional model is going out of fashion, in several senses of the word.

The same manufacturer wich expanded it to insane levels.

By selling 100m consoles, less than two of Sony's consoles that came before? It didn't really expand the market, it just inflated it for a short while.


I wasn´t talking about the Wii.

Oh. Then what was your point? There's no denying that most of the apparent "contraction" is due to Nintendo's recent fall from grace after enjoying a few short years at the top of everything.

3rd party publishers, the bread and butter of this industry, failing again and again to make a viable profit on Nintendo's consoles, while many of them enjoy massive successes on MS and Sony's.

Yet here you are saying MS and Sony are to blame. I don't get your logic.

I think third parties failed on the wii, because they didn't try to do anything. For every 100 shovel ware titles, there was one mad world or killer 7, and those were only weak attempts at best. I do agree third parties are the bread and butter, but to call them having massive success is an over statement, with developers shutting their doors like never before, with irrational games potentially being the latest. The way I see it is that the wii made some third parties a little extra cash, while the rest of them did what they were going to do anyhow, make games on the ps360. While those companies fought for market share  On an over saturated marketplace that left many bankrupt or close to it.

Only a small handful of third parties truly enjoyed massive success, activision, rock star, and left many hurting... Square enix, and a whole list of developers that closed their doors.



Xenostar on 20 February 2014
Turkish said:
I dont think PS4 sold that low and 3DS just stays flat, might need adjustments again. Demand isnt decreasing and neither stock is getting worse.


i think stock might be getting worse certainly is on UK and US amazon



fatslob-:O on 20 February 2014
Normchacho said:

According to Merian-Webster the first full definition of "Not" is, 1- Used as a function word to make negative a group of words or a word. The antonym of "good" is "bad".

So "nobody" was expecting it outsell the wii for those months but "everyody" was expecting them to be comparable? Even if that were remotely provable that doesn't change the fact that both compared to it's current competition and historically the PS4 is selling very, very well.

Like I said before, "there's three states". Just because a statement is not the state of 10 doesn't mean it is the state of 1. It could be any other number within the range of 1 -9. 

The PS4 doing good in comparison to the other duds doesn't mean that it's doing amazing ...



riecsou on 20 February 2014


 

y it does need to worry about it's image ... Just because your at the top spot doesn't mean your out of the rat race just yet ...

All system doing bad =/= PS4 doing amazing


But the PS4 isn't doing bad, It had a better first January than the 360 or PS3 and is on track to beat them both in February.

First January

X360: 518,227

PS3: 380,096

PS4: 696,505

XOne: 301,214

February

X360: 330,928

PS3: 240,586

PS4: 282,793 (as of 2/15)

XOne: 101,702 (as of 2/15)

Can we stop with the baseless doom and gloom now?

Did it have a better first january than WII ?

You are trying too hard. The Wii enjoyed a full month of sales in Japan. And there is an article comparing total numbers for Wii and PS4 during the same period with Wii having Japan Sales and guess what PS4 was still ahead as of February 1st by 1 million. Here

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/251512/ps4-vs-wiivgchartz-gap-chartsjanuary-2014-update/ 



riecsou on 20 February 2014
fatslob-:O said:
Normchacho said:
fatslob-:O said:
Normchacho said:
fatslob-:O said:
Normchacho said:

 

 

The average consumer isn't checking historical console sales data. They are going to see that the PS4 is outselling it's two main rivals by a large margin. Out of the current crop of consoles the PS4 is possibly the only one that doesn't need to worry about it's image.

Actually it does need to worry about it's image ... Just because your at the top spot doesn't mean your out of the rat race just yet ...

All system doing bad =/= PS4 doing amazing


But the PS4 isn't doing bad, It had a better first January than the 360 or PS3 and is on track to beat them both in February.

First January

X360: 518,227

PS3: 380,096

PS4: 696,505

XOne: 301,214

February

X360: 330,928

PS3: 240,586

PS4: 282,793 (as of 2/15)

XOne: 101,702 (as of 2/15)

Can we stop with the baseless doom and gloom now?

Did it have a better first january than WII ?