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Forums - Gaming - A quick take on MS's E3 and the Kinect as a peripheral

BeElite on 19 February 2014

LMAO this thread is hilarious.

I just unplugged the useless gimmck, X1 works just the same as before. No red warnings popin of claiming my x1 cant be used without it.



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VitroBahllee on 19 February 2014
BeElite said:
LMAO this thread is hilarious.

I just unplugged the useless gimmck, X1 works just the same as before. No red warnings popin of claiming my x1 cant be used without it.


I bet you don't have one.



Shinobi-san on 19 February 2014
VitroBahllee said:
Shinobi-san said:
Sevengen said:
Shinobi-san said:
ArnoldRimmer said:
Shinobi-san said:
Its definitely a peripheral i dont see how you can argue otherwise. This isnt an opinion it either is or isn't a peripheral. I think people fail to understand this and it causes unnecessary arguments.

Take out the Kinect and the X1 works perfectly without it. The UI works fine and MOST importantly the games work without it.

Take away the traditional controller and you cant do jack shit with your X1.

Now if MS took away your ability to control the UI with the traditional controller and made it mandatory to use the Kinect then yes its an intergral part of the system but they havent done that and they never will.

The wii remote is good example of not being a peripheral where the move is...yet they do exactly the same thing...

Actually, the Wii Remote (and the traditional controllers as well of course) are peripherals as well. Even the hard drive inside the XBone and PS4 is technically a computer peripheral, despite being absolutely mandatory for the console to work.


You are absolutely correct.

My bad. Although when it comes to a games console it might be a bit different? That is if we define a game console and Personal Computer as two different things...which we probably cant so yes you are right.

so using that goofy logic that would mean the cpu and gpu's are periherals... the bus is a peripheral, the cooling fan, the soldering.... anything and everything's a peripheral, it's a madhouse, it's anarchy....
good lord!!

No. You're just not understanding what peripheral means. Perhaps you should have used the word add on in the OP that way you can win the argument.


The OP is simply QUOTING THE HEADLINE OF THE NEWS ARTICLE HE IS REFERRING TO.

Go get on the case of the journalist who wrote it. It's not anybody on this board's fault. You should be a tech news editor with your attention to detail with regards to terminology. That's laudable. But it's derailing this conversation.

Well theres no link in the OP i though he had wrote it himself. It doesnt matter though...who ever wrote the article is using wrong terminology. Im not derailing anything. Report me if you think im derailing. See what happens



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Sevengen on 19 February 2014
ArnoldRimmer said:
Sevengen said:
ArnoldRimmer said:
Sevengen said:

I'm just as entitled to question your perception as you are mine...

You seriously wonder why I have such a problem accepting that word???
Alright, fair being fair, than you have to agree with me wondering why you can't accept that it's not a peripheral.
Right?

Huh? It's not like everyone can simply define his own meaning of a word, a word like "peripheral" has a rather clear definition, that one can, for example, look up on Wikipedia. And the Wikipedia article makes perfectly clear that something similar to a webcam is indeed a "peripheral" - as are, for example:

  • computer mice
  • keyboards
  • graphics cards
  • scannners
  • microphones
  • speakers
  • webcams
  • DVD drives
  • and even hard-disks

Wikipedia states "According to the most technical definition, the only pieces of a computer not considered to be peripherals are the central processing unit, power supply, motherboard, and computer case."

I'm just pointing out that unlike other definitions, the definition of a computer/console peripheral is very clear and specific, and according to that definition, Kinect is clearly a peripheral.

Well, so that was my rationale for not accepting that it's not a peripheral: The usual definitions of "peripheral" clearly state otherwise.

 

So now, please explain why YOU cannot accept the official definition of a "peripheral", as to me it seems like for some reason you consider the word "peripheral" to have a negative touch that questions the usability of a device. (I would for example say that the word "gimmick", which the Kinect is often called, indeed has a certain negative touch).

look man.. it's included with every Xbox One sold, it's intergral to the operation of the system. Period.
End of story.
It's not a peripheral and it doesn't matter how many responses you come up with to try and contradict me.
Like I just got done telling Shinob...
take away the traditional controller can you still do everything you want to do on Xbox One other than play games that 'require' a traditional controller....
Yep!
Soooooooooooooooooooo.. it if the traditional controller gets hit by a bus, or stolen by thieves, or flushed down the toilet, or thrown away by your mom, or used in a weird way by your sister and hidden beneath her mattress... can you still use your Xbox One.
Yep!
we're done here.

Good lord, I think I have never seen such ignorance. Even faced with clear proof that your understanding of the word "peripheral" is simply wrong, you choose to ignore any facts that don't fit your opinion, and come up with pretty much the same, completely pointless argument.

see here we go...
now did imply that you were ignorant, or that you're opinions were ignorant.
NO.
I kept it relatively friendly and I was able to do so because my argument didn't/doesn't need insults to help bolster it's premise.
Obviously your does, which is where you truly lose the discussion.
When a person's argument devolves into personal attacks, that's the point where they know they've lost... because they can't manufature any further logic to sustain their point and end up giving into frustration.
later Arnold.
better luck next time.



BeElite on 19 February 2014
VitroBahllee said:
BeElite said:
LMAO this thread is hilarious.

I just unplugged the useless gimmck, X1 works just the same as before. No red warnings popin of claiming my x1 cant be used without it.


I bet you don't have one.


id bet i do, jelly much ?

lets bet then, month ban mod approved.

 



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VitroBahllee on 19 February 2014
Shinobi-san said:
VitroBahllee said:


The OP is simply QUOTING THE HEADLINE OF THE NEWS ARTICLE HE IS REFERRING TO.

Go get on the case of the journalist who wrote it. It's not anybody on this board's fault. You should be a tech news editor with your attention to detail with regards to terminology. That's laudable. But it's derailing this conversation.

Well theres no link in the OP i though he had wrote it himself. It doesnt matter though...who ever wrote the article is using wrong terminology. Im not derailing anything. Report me if you think im derailing. See what happens

So what do you think about the idea of selling X1 without the Kinect? I personally bought it FOR the Kinect. I think the fact that it is included with every system helps define the way I interact with the system.



Shinobi-san on 19 February 2014
Sevengen said:
VitroBahllee said:
But this article meant it in the sense of 'add-on,' like 'MS should start treating Kinect like an add-on, bonus controller rather than a bundled, main controller.' That's a premise I don't agree with.


yeah.. you seem to get what others in this thread can't or are unwilling to grasp
it's not an add-on.
it's a bundled main controller.

finally.


Actually if you look at the definition of Video game Add-on.....

Kinect fits pretty well



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binary solo on 19 February 2014
Sevengen said:

Microsoft and the Xbox One can't catch a break...  and to be honest a lot of gamers may not feel they deserve one after last years industry coup attempt at E3. After the dust settled though, it was clear that they weren't really trying to screw gamers out of their livelyhood, but only attemtping to ensure their own. By chasing after the PC model of gaming, which takes DRM to the extreme; limited if any sharing of games, restricted trade-in pollicies, verification and strict licensing of intectuall properties, they were trying to create a more lucrative and thereby stable environment for themselves and developers.  They weren't trying to cheat anyone out of what they deserved, only trying to keep people from cheating them. That's pretty black and white.
But the whole thing blew up and every gamer who paid attention got to watch as Microsoft exploded right in front of us.
A moment many console gamers and their PC brethren had been patiently and opportunistically waiting for.
Attack!!

Since then we've seen every facet and design choice of the Xbox One and Xbox Live broken down and set on fire through nearly every gaming forum, publication, and self-serving blog site the internet has to offer. Some opinions presented fairly and objectively, most of them... not.
Kicking the shit out of Microsoft's Xbox One has almost become a pastime on this site; with PS4 fans slipping comfortably into their Sony jerseys, finding an open seat in the stands and lobbing every insult, ugly fact or baseless claim they can find or dream up towards the other team.
Annoying.
Some of it fair.. most of it not.
The one that gets to me the most though is this conditioned, predisposed opinion that the Kinect for Xbox One is a peripheral.

 It isn't.

It's an alternative controller that Microsoft decided to build there system around, something, as other posters have already stated, helps define the Xbox One and separate it from its competitors.
For the most part, it seems the only people complaining about it are the anti-Microsoft crowd, devoted PS4 fans with a bashing agenda, and gamers that can't seem to wrap their head around the fact that it's not a peripheral and use its inclusion as a way to bitch about price.
While the PS4 is inarguably more powerful on the stat sheet and has seen that difference parlayed into countless threads about better resolutions and frame rates, the Xbox One, as is, can do things the PS4 simply can't.
I'm more than willing to sacrifice a mere 180 lines of pixels and a few dozen frames per second, both technical specs that are negligible when the differences of measurement are so small, for a console that gives me advantages and user experiences the others don't have.
The PS4 is the more powerful, less expensive machine; the Xbox One is the more interesting and forward thinking alternative.
Price or innovation?
Innovation always wins in the long run.. would you be reading this on your tablet or smartphone if it didn't?

Is that you Don?

I don't much care about the Kinect diatribe, but the bolded is utter bullshit. Who exactly has been cheating MS and developers out of money all these years? Just because PC publishers got away with it doesn't make it morally right. Every entertainment product I've ever bought I have a legal and moral right to sell or give away to someone else...except video games? What? How are video games such a special snowflake when they are the most expensive of all entertaiment products I buy. The answer if course is simply: because they can.

I find it so distateful how so many gamers are apologists for corporate immoral practices. I hate DRM on PC game disks, but what's done is done and it can't be undone. But I want that festering disease to stay away from console games forever. And you know true DRM on PC game discs has not become universal until quite recently. I borrowed my brother's Dragon Age 2 PC game and it worked fine.

Games don't need DRM to be profitable, they just need to be good and well marketed. Pachter actually even made a well reasoned case that game industry revenue would go down with universal DRM on consoles. So it's even simplistic and naive to think that supporting DRM on consoles is supporting dame developers. They will make less money with DRM, not more.



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VitroBahllee on 19 February 2014
BeElite said:
VitroBahllee said:
BeElite said:
LMAO this thread is hilarious.

I just unplugged the useless gimmck, X1 works just the same as before. No red warnings popin of claiming my x1 cant be used without it.


I bet you don't have one.


id bet i do, jelly much ?

lets bet then, month ban mod approved.

 

I don't want to bet being banned. I have one too, so I'm not jealous. I am just surprised you think of it as a 'useless gimmick.' Don't like Xbox Fitness?



BeElite on 19 February 2014
VitroBahllee said:
BeElite said:
VitroBahllee said:
BeElite said:
LMAO this thread is hilarious.

I just unplugged the useless gimmck, X1 works just the same as before. No red warnings popin of claiming my x1 cant be used without it.


I bet you don't have one.


id bet i do, jelly much ?

lets bet then, month ban mod approved.

 

I don't want to bet being banned. I have one too, so I'm not jealous. I am just surprised you think of it as a 'useless gimmick.' Don't like Xbox Fitness?

lol hell no.

its called a gym, i go there.  im not big on taibo.