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Shinobi-san on 19 February 2014
ArnoldRimmer said:
Shinobi-san said:
Its definitely a peripheral i dont see how you can argue otherwise. This isnt an opinion it either is or isn't a peripheral. I think people fail to understand this and it causes unnecessary arguments.

Take out the Kinect and the X1 works perfectly without it. The UI works fine and MOST importantly the games work without it.

Take away the traditional controller and you cant do jack shit with your X1.

Now if MS took away your ability to control the UI with the traditional controller and made it mandatory to use the Kinect then yes its an intergral part of the system but they havent done that and they never will.

The wii remote is good example of not being a peripheral where the move is...yet they do exactly the same thing...

Actually, the Wii Remote (and the traditional controllers as well of course) are peripherals as well. Even the hard drive inside the XBone and PS4 is technically a computer peripheral, despite being absolutely mandatory for the console to work.


You are absolutely correct.

My bad. Although when it comes to a games console it might be a bit different? That is if we define a game console and Personal Computer as two different things...which we probably cant so yes you are right.



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Shinobi-san on 19 February 2014
Sevengen said:
Shinobi-san said:
Its definitely a peripheral i dont see how you can argue otherwise. This isnt an opinion it either is or isn't a peripheral. I think people fail to understand this and it causes unnecessary arguments.

Take out the Kinect and the X1 works perfectly without it. The UI works fine and MOST importantly the games work without it.

Take away the traditional controller and you cant do jack shit with your X1.

Now if MS took away your ability to control the UI with the traditional controller and made it mandatory to use the Kinect then yes its an intergral part of the system but they havent done that and they never will.

The wii remote is good example of not being a peripheral where the move is...yet they do exactly the same thing...

exactly. unfortunately what you stated is actually an opinion and here's something 'you' failed to recognize.

Take away the traditional controller and you can still do everything on your Xbox One that you need to.. except play games that 'require' a traditional controller.

hmm. kinda seems the same both ways don't it?

I wonder if that mean the traditional controller is actually a peripheral?.. lol

Liek ArnoldRimmer said you dont get to choose what something means. I was wrong about the traditional controller.

Theres no two ways about this and opinion doesnt come in to play here.

It either is or isnt a peripheral. And by definition its a peripheral...



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VitroBahllee on 19 February 2014

But this article meant it in the sense of 'add-on,' like 'MS should start treating Kinect like an add-on, bonus controller rather than a bundled, main controller.' That's a premise I don't agree with.



Sevengen on 19 February 2014
Shinobi-san said:
ArnoldRimmer said:
Shinobi-san said:
Its definitely a peripheral i dont see how you can argue otherwise. This isnt an opinion it either is or isn't a peripheral. I think people fail to understand this and it causes unnecessary arguments.

Take out the Kinect and the X1 works perfectly without it. The UI works fine and MOST importantly the games work without it.

Take away the traditional controller and you cant do jack shit with your X1.

Now if MS took away your ability to control the UI with the traditional controller and made it mandatory to use the Kinect then yes its an intergral part of the system but they havent done that and they never will.

The wii remote is good example of not being a peripheral where the move is...yet they do exactly the same thing...

Actually, the Wii Remote (and the traditional controllers as well of course) are peripherals as well. Even the hard drive inside the XBone and PS4 is technically a computer peripheral, despite being absolutely mandatory for the console to work.


You are absolutely correct.

My bad. Although when it comes to a games console it might be a bit different? That is if we define a game console and Personal Computer as two different things...which we probably cant so yes you are right.

so using that goofy logic that would mean the cpu and gpu's are periherals... the bus is a peripheral, the cooling fan, the soldering.... anything and everything's a peripheral, it's a madhouse, it's anarchy....
good lord!!



ArnoldRimmer on 19 February 2014
Sevengen said:
ArnoldRimmer said:
Sevengen said:

I'm just as entitled to question your perception as you are mine...

You seriously wonder why I have such a problem accepting that word???
Alright, fair being fair, than you have to agree with me wondering why you can't accept that it's not a peripheral.
Right?

Huh? It's not like everyone can simply define his own meaning of a word, a word like "peripheral" has a rather clear definition, that one can, for example, look up on Wikipedia. And the Wikipedia article makes perfectly clear that something similar to a webcam is indeed a "peripheral" - as are, for example:

  • computer mice
  • keyboards
  • graphics cards
  • scannners
  • microphones
  • speakers
  • webcams
  • DVD drives
  • and even hard-disks

Wikipedia states "According to the most technical definition, the only pieces of a computer not considered to be peripherals are the central processing unit, power supply, motherboard, and computer case."

I'm just pointing out that unlike other definitions, the definition of a computer/console peripheral is very clear and specific, and according to that definition, Kinect is clearly a peripheral.

Well, so that was my rationale for not accepting that it's not a peripheral: The usual definitions of "peripheral" clearly state otherwise.

 

So now, please explain why YOU cannot accept the official definition of a "peripheral", as to me it seems like for some reason you consider the word "peripheral" to have a negative touch that questions the usability of a device. (I would for example say that the word "gimmick", which the Kinect is often called, indeed has a certain negative touch).

look man.. it's included with every Xbox One sold, it's intergral to the operation of the system. Period.
End of story.
It's not a peripheral and it doesn't matter how many responses you come up with to try and contradict me.
Like I just got done telling Shinob...
take away the traditional controller can you still do everything you want to do on Xbox One other than play games that 'require' a traditional controller....
Yep!
Soooooooooooooooooooo.. it if the traditional controller gets hit by a bus, or stolen by thieves, or flushed down the toilet, or thrown away by your mom, or used in a weird way by your sister and hidden beneath her mattress... can you still use your Xbox One.
Yep!
we're done here.

Good lord, I think I have never seen such ignorance. Even faced with clear proof that your understanding of the word "peripheral" is simply wrong, you choose to ignore any facts that don't fit your opinion, and come up with pretty much the same, completely pointless argument.



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Sevengen on 19 February 2014
VitroBahllee said:
But this article meant it in the sense of 'add-on,' like 'MS should start treating Kinect like an add-on, bonus controller rather than a bundled, main controller.' That's a premise I don't agree with.


yeah.. you seem to get what others in this thread can't or are unwilling to grasp
it's not an add-on.
it's a bundled main controller.

finally.



VitroBahllee on 19 February 2014
ArnoldRimmer said:
Sevengen said:

 

Good lord, I think I have never seen such ignorance. Even faced with clear proof that your understanding of the word "peripheral" is simply wrong, you choose to ignore any facts that don't fit your opinion, and come up with pretty much the same, completely pointless argument.


While I see what you mean, the original post was about an article which referred to the Kinect as a 'preipheral' in the sense of 'extra, non-essential device.' The word they opposed it with was 'pack-in.'

"Kinect is a peripheral, not a pack-in."

So rather than debate about what the word peripheral means IN REAL LIFE, especially with regards to COMPUTERS, this should be kept about debating it with regards to what the article writer was intending.

Otherwise, there's just going to be a bunch of back and forth arguments.



Shinobi-san on 19 February 2014
Sevengen said:
Shinobi-san said:
ArnoldRimmer said:
Shinobi-san said:
Its definitely a peripheral i dont see how you can argue otherwise. This isnt an opinion it either is or isn't a peripheral. I think people fail to understand this and it causes unnecessary arguments.

Take out the Kinect and the X1 works perfectly without it. The UI works fine and MOST importantly the games work without it.

Take away the traditional controller and you cant do jack shit with your X1.

Now if MS took away your ability to control the UI with the traditional controller and made it mandatory to use the Kinect then yes its an intergral part of the system but they havent done that and they never will.

The wii remote is good example of not being a peripheral where the move is...yet they do exactly the same thing...

Actually, the Wii Remote (and the traditional controllers as well of course) are peripherals as well. Even the hard drive inside the XBone and PS4 is technically a computer peripheral, despite being absolutely mandatory for the console to work.


You are absolutely correct.

My bad. Although when it comes to a games console it might be a bit different? That is if we define a game console and Personal Computer as two different things...which we probably cant so yes you are right.

so using that goofy logic that would mean the cpu and gpu's are periherals... the bus is a peripheral, the cooling fan, the soldering.... anything and everything's a peripheral, it's a madhouse, it's anarchy....
good lord!!

No. You're just not understanding what peripheral means. Perhaps you should have used the word add on in the OP that way you can win the argument.



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Shinobi-san on 19 February 2014
VitroBahllee said:
ArnoldRimmer said:
Sevengen said:

 

Good lord, I think I have never seen such ignorance. Even faced with clear proof that your understanding of the word "peripheral" is simply wrong, you choose to ignore any facts that don't fit your opinion, and come up with pretty much the same, completely pointless argument.


While I see what you mean, the original post was about an article which referred to the Kinect as a 'preipheral' in the sense of 'extra, non-essential device.' The word they opposed it with was 'pack-in.'

"Kinect is a peripheral, not a pack-in."

So rather than debate about what the word peripheral means IN REAL LIFE, especially with regards to COMPUTERS, this should be kept about debating it with regards to what the article writer was intending.

Otherwise, there's just going to be a bunch of back and forth arguments.

Its because the OP is using incorrect terminology and mixing up arguments that is causing the back and forth debating...

If he was clear about what he meant then we wouldnt be having this discussion.



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VitroBahllee on 19 February 2014
Shinobi-san said:
Sevengen said:
Shinobi-san said:
ArnoldRimmer said:
Shinobi-san said:
Its definitely a peripheral i dont see how you can argue otherwise. This isnt an opinion it either is or isn't a peripheral. I think people fail to understand this and it causes unnecessary arguments.

Take out the Kinect and the X1 works perfectly without it. The UI works fine and MOST importantly the games work without it.

Take away the traditional controller and you cant do jack shit with your X1.

Now if MS took away your ability to control the UI with the traditional controller and made it mandatory to use the Kinect then yes its an intergral part of the system but they havent done that and they never will.

The wii remote is good example of not being a peripheral where the move is...yet they do exactly the same thing...

Actually, the Wii Remote (and the traditional controllers as well of course) are peripherals as well. Even the hard drive inside the XBone and PS4 is technically a computer peripheral, despite being absolutely mandatory for the console to work.


You are absolutely correct.

My bad. Although when it comes to a games console it might be a bit different? That is if we define a game console and Personal Computer as two different things...which we probably cant so yes you are right.

so using that goofy logic that would mean the cpu and gpu's are periherals... the bus is a peripheral, the cooling fan, the soldering.... anything and everything's a peripheral, it's a madhouse, it's anarchy....
good lord!!

No. You're just not understanding what peripheral means. Perhaps you should have used the word add on in the OP that way you can win the argument.


The OP is simply QUOTING THE HEADLINE OF THE NEWS ARTICLE HE IS REFERRING TO.

Go get on the case of the journalist who wrote it. It's not anybody on this board's fault. You should be a tech news editor with your attention to detail with regards to terminology. That's laudable. But it's derailing this conversation.