How do you know that they'll use an "ill-suited code" when it's supposed to be the engine that does it automatically and the fact that it's getting delayed ? There is once again absolutely no reason why it can't beat the last gen versions if it were truly more capable.

Because they'll use the PS3/360 code, and the Wii U architecture is quite different from those platforms, so code optimized for PS3/360 is not well suited to Wii U. 

You cannot just use PS360 code and expect it to work on the WII U. The code is different for each platforms except for the X1 and PC. Even if the code were different it doesn't matter much because most game developers do not focus on low level programming for the most part. Often times they will at best use middlewares such as Libraries and APIs. Just because the WII U has a different architecture compared to last generation platforms doesn't excuse it seeing as how it's easier to program on the WII U than it is the PS360 so with the delay of watch dogs on the WII U there really isn't any excuse as to why the WII U version shouldn't be better than the last generation HD twins.

Nobody's cherrypicking anything or ignoring anything.  Lame comments about how Sony could have said 15 or 20 are obviously not worth debating, since they COULD have also said 5, which is definitely in line with the numbers.  I clearly linked all the things you needed to see that the PS4 isn't 10 times as powerful as the PS3.  With Sony's track record of their overstatement of power, I have no reason to toss out the numbers that state otherwise, AND believe their PR statements.

I will always get accused of being a Nintendo fanboy by the simple action of defending them, that's not surprising in the least.  People who can see through me a little better can tell the difference.  I'm clearly defending Nintendo because of the unfair amount of negative press and "hardcore gamer" smack talk the Wii U unjustly receives, mostly using the PS4's "power" as some sort of reference or standard.  These same individuals are the people buying into the marketing of the PS4, and just gobble up anything Sony says about their system.  Both the negativity towards the Wii U and the overhyped PS4 information need to stop.

If my show was a PS4 show, I would have most likely written my blog article to Sony fanboys about why they need to stop exaggerating the power the PS4 has.  It's the most powerful of the three consoles, but it's not going to magically alter graphics to anyone with an unbiased eye.

You're clearly more vested in the PS4, despite everything you say.  And though you take my information as an attack in the PS4, it's more of a "debunking" than anything else.  I have very real expectations of all systems, that's why you don't see me praising any of them.  And no, it's not because I'm a PC gamer, but admittedly, PC gaming does open ones eyes about "graphics".  Assuming, of course, a high-end or enthusiast rig is being used.

I respect the fact that you wouldn't want to read through 50+ pages, but this was already addressed.

In summary: let's compare the Wii U's games to late last-gen games of the PS3/XBox360 and talk about how bad the Wii U's launch games look, but when comparing Wii U's early-life titles to PS4/XBox1's launch titles, let's wait until the PS4/XBox1 are out longer because the launch titles are nothing compared to the potential the system's have.  Are these people "smart" to you?

This is what I'm slowly trying to set people straight on.  If you're going to talk smack, at least do it consistently, or accept it in the same nature as you would give it (reap what you sow).  The media and "hardcore gamer" stuff against Nintendo really are out of hand, and it's time to set some people straight.

I personally take this article with a grain of salt, simply because it discredits itself with lack of proper information on which Wii U games are 1080p, but...

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Wii-U-Memory-Bandwidth-GPU-More-Powerful-Than-We-Thought-62437.html

This doesn't necessarily mean more power, but it does mean the ability to run some of those "special effects" discussed earlier in the thread in a better capacity on the Wii U than is currently believed.

No, it isn't. If they all came out at the same time maybe, but devs have had almost a decade of  experience with PS3/360 and have tailored their engines so intimately to these systems that development for them is now incredibly easy.

The Wii U, on the other hand, has only been out a year. Nintendo's poor documentation and devkits are legendary, and devs couldn't be bothered overhauling their tried and true PS3/360 engines to accomodate Wii U. As a result, getting the most out of Wii U is quite a bit more challenging than getting the most out of the already maxed out PS3/360.

Now I know why JoeTheBro was dissappointed ...

How do you know what's inline with the numbers when your seriously conspiring against Sony's statements ? You don't have anything claiming that the PS4 ISN'T 10x more powerful than the PS3. BTW that was NVIDIA's claim that the RSX had 2 Tflops NOT Sony. (AKA the guys that made your GTX 670's ...)  http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_21111.html Blame Nvidia's PR not Sony's!

Maybe if you had taken off the goggles and put some thinking caps on you might actually have an idea of what's going on. How is the negative press unfair when nintendo themselves puts out a system with an abysmal image ? Maybe those "hardcore gamers" aren't getting screwed in the back by Sony because they have modest PR compared to last time. The overhyping of the PS4 may need to tone down but the negativity towards the WII U is absolutely deserved.

Such as shame that you would resort to fighting in the console wars and I had better respect for neutral PC gamers but what you suggested just shows that your trapped in the console wars. How don't you have unbiased eye when you only just realized that pikmin 3 had edges galore when I pointed it out ? You don't seem to appreciate those "fine details" compared to other PC gamers like Pemalite and myself. 

Wow, getting defensive here are we ? That's because you clearly ARE attacking the PS4 and you haven't debunked anything. You don't have ANY real expectations of the systems because your uneducated about hardware in general. Even if you used your a "PC gamer" card it still doesn't mean that your analysis will be relevant considering that some PC gamers like Pemalite will know more than others. 

sorry a console with double the ram and a Newer more powerful gpu is harder to program for, that doesn't make any sense, it doesn't matter if they have a decade of experiance, they had less then 512 mb of ram to work, vs wiiu having 1 gb, not to mention a year later and ports are still inferior, developers have made it clear that PS4 is much easier to develope for then 360/ps3. i could understand your point if you were talking about making games look much better then 360/ps3 but your talking about matching 360/ps3 with more ram and a more powerful gpu.

LMAO. Take a look back at launch PS3/360 games, then 2013 games, and tell me with a straight face that a decade of experience doesn't matter.

Wii U ports are still inferior cos they are still lazy rushjobs where PS3/360 assets are copy+pasted and the bare minimum of optimization is done. There has not been a single game built from the ground up for Wii U to push its hardware yet, therefore we have not seen its real capacity.