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The PS4's power seems...

Better, but not THAT much better anymore... 241 15.42%
 
Are you crazy?! The PS4 is GOD! 349 22.33%
 
The Wii U is clearly unde... 741 47.41%
 
The PS4 is selling better... 36 2.30%
 
I think I'll be buying a... 191 12.22%
 
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dahuman on 14 February 2014
fatslob-:O said:
dahuman said:
fatslob-:O said:

Did you even bother to read the whole thread before undermining my thoughts ? -_-

I did, it was a dumb attempt to downplay the Wii U and overplay the other consoles when I keep iterating that they are all nothing super powerful to start with.

Just how exactly is it an attempt to down play the WII U ? 

by asking the question of whether it can do water physics or not naturally I'm letting it go though, I'm trying to get him to just stop going back and forth with you cause it's going exactly nowhere.



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dahuman on 14 February 2014
drake4 said:
dahuman said:
drake4 said:
dahuman said:

I already fucking said, before the the PS4 or X1 even came out, that the improvements will be lighting/shadow and physics, good lighting and shadows take a shit ton of RAM and that's where the larger memory pool comes in, and physic will open up for new game play possibilities which would be good too. The problem though, is that neither the PS4 and X1 will have enough power to really open up a can of whoop ass on the physics department so we will not see actual impressive physics in the games, but it should be enough to "wow" the 7th gen console only gamers enough while the PC gamers keep crying about how console gaming drags down advancements in video game graphics and interaction.

Also, X already looks better than RDR at this stage if you have a pair of working eyes and it looks better than the alpha videos from the past trailers, it will probably improve again when we next see it as well, I'm not too worried about it since I was mostly paying attention to how the combat worked rather than concentrating on the graphics along. "HUGE SUCCEEDED!" like wtf is that lol......

Can't compare Bayo 2 with GoW 3, one has free roaming camera at a faster pace and the other one is a static camera and much slower game play, I've demoed Bayo 2 and I've finished GoW 3, both are great looking games, Bayo 2 looks really good in person and the video compressions fuck it up because the action is so much faster than GoW 3 that GoW 3 feels like a game for turtles is what's going on there. You can't even figure out the texture details in Bayo 2 videos and things look blurry, but they are super clear when in person.

Yeah, X already looks better lol, thanks for the pictures.

LOL are you for real.


Yep, I have eyes, PC gamer's eyes, they help.



drake4 on 14 February 2014
dahuman said:
drake4 said:
dahuman said:
drake4 said:
dahuman said:

I already fucking said, before the the PS4 or X1 even came out, that the improvements will be lighting/shadow and physics, good lighting and shadows take a shit ton of RAM and that's where the larger memory pool comes in, and physic will open up for new game play possibilities which would be good too. The problem though, is that neither the PS4 and X1 will have enough power to really open up a can of whoop ass on the physics department so we will not see actual impressive physics in the games, but it should be enough to "wow" the 7th gen console only gamers enough while the PC gamers keep crying about how console gaming drags down advancements in video game graphics and interaction.

Also, X already looks better than RDR at this stage if you have a pair of working eyes and it looks better than the alpha videos from the past trailers, it will probably improve again when we next see it as well, I'm not too worried about it since I was mostly paying attention to how the combat worked rather than concentrating on the graphics along. "HUGE SUCCEEDED!" like wtf is that lol......

Can't compare Bayo 2 with GoW 3, one has free roaming camera at a faster pace and the other one is a static camera and much slower game play, I've demoed Bayo 2 and I've finished GoW 3, both are great looking games, Bayo 2 looks really good in person and the video compressions fuck it up because the action is so much faster than GoW 3 that GoW 3 feels like a game for turtles is what's going on there. You can't even figure out the texture details in Bayo 2 videos and things look blurry, but they are super clear when in person.

Yeah, X already looks better lol, thanks for the pictures.

LOL are you for real.


Yep, I have eyes, PC gamers eyes, they help.

sure i guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.



dahuman on 14 February 2014
drake4 said:
dahuman said:
drake4 said:
dahuman said:
drake4 said:
dahuman said:

I already fucking said, before the the PS4 or X1 even came out, that the improvements will be lighting/shadow and physics, good lighting and shadows take a shit ton of RAM and that's where the larger memory pool comes in, and physic will open up for new game play possibilities which would be good too. The problem though, is that neither the PS4 and X1 will have enough power to really open up a can of whoop ass on the physics department so we will not see actual impressive physics in the games, but it should be enough to "wow" the 7th gen console only gamers enough while the PC gamers keep crying about how console gaming drags down advancements in video game graphics and interaction.

Also, X already looks better than RDR at this stage if you have a pair of working eyes and it looks better than the alpha videos from the past trailers, it will probably improve again when we next see it as well, I'm not too worried about it since I was mostly paying attention to how the combat worked rather than concentrating on the graphics along. "HUGE SUCCEEDED!" like wtf is that lol......

Can't compare Bayo 2 with GoW 3, one has free roaming camera at a faster pace and the other one is a static camera and much slower game play, I've demoed Bayo 2 and I've finished GoW 3, both are great looking games, Bayo 2 looks really good in person and the video compressions fuck it up because the action is so much faster than GoW 3 that GoW 3 feels like a game for turtles is what's going on there. You can't even figure out the texture details in Bayo 2 videos and things look blurry, but they are super clear when in person.

Yeah, X already looks better lol, thanks for the pictures.

LOL are you for real.


Yep, I have eyes, PC gamers eyes, they help.

sure i guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.


There is no beauty involved here, I can just catch flaws in both games graphically by just looking at them, the build of X they showed as of right now does look better than RDR and previous builds, it's not hard to catch on at all.



drake4 on 14 February 2014
dahuman said:
drake4 said:
dahuman said:
drake4 said:
dahuman said:
drake4 said:
dahuman said:

I already fucking said, before the the PS4 or X1 even came out, that the improvements will be lighting/shadow and physics, good lighting and shadows take a shit ton of RAM and that's where the larger memory pool comes in, and physic will open up for new game play possibilities which would be good too. The problem though, is that neither the PS4 and X1 will have enough power to really open up a can of whoop ass on the physics department so we will not see actual impressive physics in the games, but it should be enough to "wow" the 7th gen console only gamers enough while the PC gamers keep crying about how console gaming drags down advancements in video game graphics and interaction.

Also, X already looks better than RDR at this stage if you have a pair of working eyes and it looks better than the alpha videos from the past trailers, it will probably improve again when we next see it as well, I'm not too worried about it since I was mostly paying attention to how the combat worked rather than concentrating on the graphics along. "HUGE SUCCEEDED!" like wtf is that lol......

Can't compare Bayo 2 with GoW 3, one has free roaming camera at a faster pace and the other one is a static camera and much slower game play, I've demoed Bayo 2 and I've finished GoW 3, both are great looking games, Bayo 2 looks really good in person and the video compressions fuck it up because the action is so much faster than GoW 3 that GoW 3 feels like a game for turtles is what's going on there. You can't even figure out the texture details in Bayo 2 videos and things look blurry, but they are super clear when in person.

 

 

Yeah, X already looks better lol, thanks for the pictures.

LOL are you for real.


Yep, I have eyes, PC gamers eyes, they help.

sure i guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.


There is no beauty involved here, I can just catch flaws in both games graphically by just looking at them, the build of X they showed as of right now does look better than RDR and previous builds, it's not hard to catch on at all.

thanks for telling me what looks better, to me RDR pics looks much better, the X pic looks like a mess, graphics look terrible to me in that pic.



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dahuman on 14 February 2014
drake4 said:
dahuman said:
drake4 said:
 

sure i guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.


There is no beauty involved here, I can just catch flaws in both games graphically by just looking at them, the build of X they showed as of right now does look better than RDR and previous builds, it's not hard to catch on at all.

thanks for telling me what looks better, to me RDR pics looks much better, the X pic looks like a mess, graphics look terrible to me in that pic.


That's more a problem with HUD, which has nothing to do with it on a technical level, you are talking about art direction, which has nothing to do with what I'm talking about to start with, moot.



fatslob-:O on 14 February 2014
dahuman said:
fatslob-:O said:
dahuman said:
fatslob-:O said:
 

Did you even bother to read the whole thread before undermining my thoughts ? -_-

I did, it was a dumb attempt to downplay the Wii U and overplay the other consoles when I keep iterating that they are all nothing super powerful to start with.

Just how exactly is it an attempt to down play the WII U ? 

by asking the question of whether it can do water physics or not naturally I'm letting it go though, I'm trying to get him to just stop going back and forth with you cause it's going exactly nowhere.

It's not exactly water physics ... It's more on the lines of a flexible animation. Simulating real fluids would consist of accounting for change in surfaces along the volumetric boundaries and surface tension.

You wish it was overplaying the new HD twins but it's quite obvious that the GCN's architecure at implimenting compute shaders really do show. 

Both the PS4 and X1 are very capable of SPH simulation using 80K particles with a voxel size of 512x128x128 at around 30 FPS. Whereas on the WII U this type of workload would mostly make it crash or run at sub 5 FPS. 



dahuman on 14 February 2014
fatslob-:O said:
dahuman said:
fatslob-:O said:
dahuman said:

I did, it was a dumb attempt to downplay the Wii U and overplay the other consoles when I keep iterating that they are all nothing super powerful to start with.

Just how exactly is it an attempt to down play the WII U ? 

by asking the question of whether it can do water physics or not naturally I'm letting it go though, I'm trying to get him to just stop going back and forth with you cause it's going exactly nowhere.

It's not exactly water physics ... It's more on the lines of a flexible animation. Simulating real fluids would consist of accounting for change in surfaces along the volumetric boundaries and surface tension.

You wish it was overplaying the new HD twins but it's quite obvious that the GCN's architecure at implimenting compute shaders really do show. 

Both the PS4 and X1 are very capable of SPH simulation using 80K particles with a voxel size of 512x128x128 at around 30 FPS. Whereas on the WII U this type of workload would mostly make it crash or run at sub 5 FPS. 

Of course the Wii U can do it, that was just a bad question to start with, the question would have made more sense if you talked about being able to do it on a massive scale to start with, which not even the PS4 can do, those numbers are not massive scales in which they will change gaming foreva! Can the X1 and PS4 do it better than Wii U? Obsolutely! Stop trying to justify your original stupid question and lets move on.



drake4 on 14 February 2014
dahuman said:
drake4 said:
dahuman said:
drake4 said:
 

sure i guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.


There is no beauty involved here, I can just catch flaws in both games graphically by just looking at them, the build of X they showed as of right now does look better than RDR and previous builds, it's not hard to catch on at all.

thanks for telling me what looks better, to me RDR pics looks much better, the X pic looks like a mess, graphics look terrible to me in that pic.


That's more a problem with HUD, which has nothing to do with it on a technical level, you are talking about art direction, which has nothing to do with what I'm talking about to start with, moot.


please explain to me how on a technical X looks better, mighty pc gamer, did you spot most of the grass in X is flat, looking like card board cut outs in the trailer, or that the image quality looks pretty bad and so are the jaggies, what about that horrible animation.



dahuman on 14 February 2014
drake4 said:
dahuman said:
drake4 said:
dahuman said:
drake4 said:
 

sure i guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.


There is no beauty involved here, I can just catch flaws in both games graphically by just looking at them, the build of X they showed as of right now does look better than RDR and previous builds, it's not hard to catch on at all.

thanks for telling me what looks better, to me RDR pics looks much better, the X pic looks like a mess, graphics look terrible to me in that pic.


That's more a problem with HUD, which has nothing to do with it on a technical level, you are talking about art direction, which has nothing to do with what I'm talking about to start with, moot.


please explain to me how on a technical X looks better, mighty pc gamer, did you spot most of the grass in X is flat, looking like card board cut outs in the trailer, or that the image quality looks pretty bad and so are the jaggies, what about that horrible animation.

It has higher geometry(poly count,) better shadows, higher res textures, and more going on in the screen at once, animation is about as shitty as FF14 or any JRPG, there is nothing I can say about that one. The only JP studio that has my jaws drop on animations is PG+.