The WII U does deserve ALOT of the negativity it has ... 

How could they give nintendo fans the boot for waiting such a long ass time in a drought ? 

Why does nintendo keep throwing fits with industry standards while being sooo anti PC at the same time ? 

As Sean Malstrom keeps saying, why does nintendo not fight against the lameness ?

Do they know that SALES = QUALITY ?

Well you could pick up cars and throw them at enemies in the first one.

While I recognize the old-fashioned ways of Nintendo, I also have to agree with a lot of it.  Now I think I said this before, but I'll say it again...

Nintendo is probably the only remaining bastion of what was once right in the gaming industry: creativity, fun, local multiplayer, complete games, and a pure and wholesame gaming experience.  They have not left these standards, and these standards do not work in today's generation of ADD gamers with Facebook, Twitter, online gaming with strangers, and yelling/cussing about headshots and hacks (which obviously never occurs when you're in the same room as the people you're playing with on the same TV, lol).  The old-school Nintendo cannot survive in the modern era of self-entitled gamers, but unfortunately, I find their old-school values to be the right ones.  Nintendo does not want to play the "sales" game, they want to create great games, and let people enjoy them on their own.  They don't want to market, they want to generate content for people.  This is both their greatest weakness and their greatest strength.

I am more than sure they are trying to strike a balance, a balance between being old and new.  SM3DW actually managed to pull this off in many ways.  I think if it DID have online play, there would have been NO way to get a word in edgewise about Nintendo.  The reality is that they ARE stuck in their old ways, but their old ways were once the RIGHT ways, and in many ways, still are.  Unfortunately, morals don't sell consoles.

Really? In the context of an action, adventure or fps. Not a game rendering what 12 static objects bar water on screen. Even an iPhone could do that.

That couldn't get anymore obvious ...

It is QUALITY games that make the console sell while also defining what a QUALITY console is.

It is SALES that define CUSTOMERS and it is they who defines the QUALITY of a specific product. 

GOOD WILL MEANS NOTHING IF CUSTOMERS ARE DISSASTISFIED ABOUT A PRODUCT. 

Despite the fact that microsoft was about to pull DRM an all the CUSTOMERS would have still defined it as the better product compared to the WII U according to sales.

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LOL, ok man. Infamous SS still blows both those games away in every category and that is a game being released in the first MONTHS of PS4 being on the market. What do you think will happen when they really start to ultilize the system's power, hell they dont even compare to FF15 and thats a multiplat. Wii U has already been out long enough and they havent shown anything that seems to be able to touch PS4 or Xone games. Lets not compare it to the cross gen game crap.

Nintendo has never had a problem with quality games, I don't see your point on that one.  Pikmin 3?  Quality.  W101?  Quality.  SM3DW?  Quality.  DKC:TF?  Quality.  W101 may be the weakest of the bunch, but it's no slouch, either, and with Mario Kart 8 (need I say quality?) on the horizon, there is no shortage of quality titles on the Wii U.

KZ:SF? Not quality.  Knack?  Not quality.  PS4 sales?  Through the roof.  Quality and sales are apparently not related like you think, because like I've admitted before, Sony's marketing department is MILES ahead of Nintendo, they know how to make sure they're seen the way they want to be seen.  Nintendo just sits there saying "you hate me?  cool...", which has allowed it to spread like wildfire.  Nintendo needs to fix their image, but quality is NOT the problem in question here.

For that matter, we haven't even come close to seeing games that "use the Wii U fully" either. Not even Mario Kart 8.

We all know that PS4's hardware is stronger, and is capable of flashier, shinier things in the potential spectrum. BUT, the gap between Wii U and PS4 was always going to be considerably smaller than between Wii and PS3. That has always been the case. There will be amazing looking games on PS4, no doubt, but there will also be games on Wii U that look amazing as well, some of the best looking of the generation. If Wii could pull that off with games like Mario Galaxy, Monster Hunter Tri and Xenoblade, than Wii U certainly will.

I said this in a different forum, mostly related to PC graphics (since I'm a PC gamer), but the PS4 is closer to its full capacity than people think.  What we'll see are optimizations and clever ways to pull off graphical tricks over the years, but if you're expecting a PS3/XBox360 level of growth in graphics, that's not going to happen this generation.  If anything, the Wii U is the one that has yet to even reach its full potential, because 3rd parties don't waste their money/time making sure its optimized (ACIV anyone?), and Nintendo even has yet to reach their own full HD stride.

Pikmin 3 was their FIRST AAA HD game, and it came out quite well.  SM3DW took it up a notch, and delivered a solid experience with very neat graphics tech flying completely under the radar (textures, shaders, not a single polygon edge in sight).  DKC:TF brings in fur tech and major on-screen physics, and Mario Kart 8, well, there's no denying that game looks amazing.  See Nintendo's fast growth there?