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North America or Europe? - continent wise

North America 320 50.24%
 
Europe 313 49.14%
 
Total:633
JEMC on 10 February 2014
marley said:
JEMC said:
marley said:
KingofTrolls said:

If we added Russia to the EU, they will win. Why ? Fight on two fronts. No country afford to do that. Much bigger resources than North America. . And Russians military technology can fight vs US technology.
Ships, tanks, rockets etc.


If not - USA will win. Why ? EU does not have enough good ships to fight on seas, they dont have a real opportunity to attack, they can only defend themselves, thats all.

 

On other hand, i think Russia/China/arabic countries vs USA/Eu/Japan conflict is more likely.


If the EU does not have enough good ships to really attack (only defend), then there wouldn't really be much of a fight on two fronts for NA. 

The Navy of the European countries isn't up to the Navy of the US, so in a 1 on 1 war, it would have to defend. But in a 2 fronts war, the US would have to split its Navy in 2 groups, Pacific and Atlantic, and in that scenario the Navy of Europe could take a more agressive role.

 

In my opinion, th US would win because their army would all be under 1 command, avoiding a lot of the confusion that would reign over the European armies, but also because despite what they could say, they would use atomic bombs if they think it's worth it.


They're not just talking about the US though.  Wouldn't Canada and Mexico be able to help defend on one front while the US moves most of their forces on the other one? 

If I'm not wrong, neither Canada or Mexico have aircraft carrier ships. They have ships with choppers, but not planes. Also, Mexico doesn't have submarines and while Canada does have them, they are diesel.

Those factors, coupled by the (and I don't want to be rude) superior naval experience of other European navies like UK's Royal Navy, would mean that with the US taking care of Russia, the navies of the european countries would have a clerarly superior advantage over the Canada/Mexico ones.



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RCTjunkie on 10 February 2014

Interesting question. If the US disregarded all morals regarding war and were okay killing white civilians, I would venture on America winning.


Otherwise, I would guess Europe.



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NYANKS on 10 February 2014

Anyone who says that U.S. forces aren't well trained have no idea what is going on. They are unbelievably accurate and efficient. In a ground fight with similar arms, they about always have the advantage. Europe could not invade the U.S., that's for sure. However, even if the U.S. forces could successfully invade and defeat EU, the losses would probably be astronomical. But I suppose if a war of attrition is okay, they could possibly win. The Navy and Air Force are just next level.



KingofTrolls on 10 February 2014
-CraZed- said:

The reason America "couldn't win in the many 3rd world countries" (even though that statement is patently false) is because we never waged all out war as to the thread OPs question. The US is notorious for Nation building and being PC in its approach to other nation's indigenous populations. In an all out, no holds barred war the US fighting force is second to none. And once the chains are off there is no limit to how much damage a combat brigade can inflict on an enemy force. Mistaking our kindness for weakness is a mistake.

The US has better technology AND better warriors making use of that technology. There is a reason when the $#!t hits the fan the world looks to the US to step in and handle it.


The reason Murica ,, could not win in the many 3rd world countries is support from China and USRR. 



chocoloco on 10 February 2014
JEMC said:
marley said:
JEMC said:
marley said:
KingofTrolls said:

If we added Russia to the EU, they will win. Why ? Fight on two fronts. No country afford to do that. Much bigger resources than North America. . And Russians military technology can fight vs US technology.
Ships, tanks, rockets etc.


If not - USA will win. Why ? EU does not have enough good ships to fight on seas, they dont have a real opportunity to attack, they can only defend themselves, thats all.

 

On other hand, i think Russia/China/arabic countries vs USA/Eu/Japan conflict is more likely.


If the EU does not have enough good ships to really attack (only defend), then there wouldn't really be much of a fight on two fronts for NA. 

The Navy of the European countries isn't up to the Navy of the US, so in a 1 on 1 war, it would have to defend. But in a 2 fronts war, the US would have to split its Navy in 2 groups, Pacific and Atlantic, and in that scenario the Navy of Europe could take a more agressive role.

 

In my opinion, th US would win because their army would all be under 1 command, avoiding a lot of the confusion that would reign over the European armies, but also because despite what they could say, they would use atomic bombs if they think it's worth it.


They're not just talking about the US though.  Wouldn't Canada and Mexico be able to help defend on one front while the US moves most of their forces on the other one? 

If I'm not wrong, neither Canada or Mexico have aircraft carrier ships. They have ships with choppers, but not planes. Also, Mexico doesn't have submarines and while Canada does have them, they are diesel.

Those factors, coupled by the (and I don't want to be rude) superior naval experience of other European navies like UK's Royal Navy, would mean that with the US taking care of Russia, the navies of the european countries would have a clerarly superior advantage over the Canada/Mexico ones.

America is known to already supply Mexico with guns.
Hence, we give the Mexicans more guns and send them over as the main infantry men to Europe. You guys would be fucked. That is 118,000,000 hard working Mexicans.



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JEMC on 10 February 2014
chocoloco said:
JEMC said:
marley said:
JEMC said:
marley said:
KingofTrolls said:

If we added Russia to the EU, they will win. Why ? Fight on two fronts. No country afford to do that. Much bigger resources than North America. . And Russians military technology can fight vs US technology.
Ships, tanks, rockets etc.


If not - USA will win. Why ? EU does not have enough good ships to fight on seas, they dont have a real opportunity to attack, they can only defend themselves, thats all.

 

On other hand, i think Russia/China/arabic countries vs USA/Eu/Japan conflict is more likely.


If the EU does not have enough good ships to really attack (only defend), then there wouldn't really be much of a fight on two fronts for NA. 

The Navy of the European countries isn't up to the Navy of the US, so in a 1 on 1 war, it would have to defend. But in a 2 fronts war, the US would have to split its Navy in 2 groups, Pacific and Atlantic, and in that scenario the Navy of Europe could take a more agressive role.

 

In my opinion, th US would win because their army would all be under 1 command, avoiding a lot of the confusion that would reign over the European armies, but also because despite what they could say, they would use atomic bombs if they think it's worth it.


They're not just talking about the US though.  Wouldn't Canada and Mexico be able to help defend on one front while the US moves most of their forces on the other one? 

If I'm not wrong, neither Canada or Mexico have aircraft carrier ships. They have ships with choppers, but not planes. Also, Mexico doesn't have submarines and while Canada does have them, they are diesel.

Those factors, coupled by the (and I don't want to be rude) superior naval experience of other European navies like UK's Royal Navy, would mean that with the US taking care of Russia, the navies of the european countries would have a clerarly superior advantage over the Canada/Mexico ones.

America is known to already supply Mexico with guns.
Hence, we give the Mexicans more guns and send them over as the main infantry men to Europe. You guys would be fucked. That is 118,000,000 hard working Mexicans.

That, with the US Navy busy on the other side of the continent, would die after their ships get sunken by the european submarines .



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ECM on 10 February 2014

I can't believe this is even a question--let alone that anyone is voting Europe. It could be the *world* against NA and NA would still win. A huge percentage of you have *no idea* either a. how powerful the US mil is or b. how weak nearly every other mil on earth is, in comparison.

(I'm sure someone, somewhere, in here has already enumerated this, but Jesus...put down the games and pick up some books and read some current events, guys. It's so lopsided that there shouldn't even be a question of who walks away from this fight with most of its limbs attached. Stop voting loyalty--or anti-Americanism--and join us in reality.)



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KingofTrolls on 10 February 2014
chocoloco said:

America is known to already supply Mexico with guns.
Hence, we give the Mexicans more guns and send them over as the main infantry men to Europe. You guys would be fucked. That is 118,000,000 hard working Mexicans.

 

Population of Mexico is over 120 mln. 

Btw i do some research, Canadian Navy = Armada Espanyola. So USA fight on seas alone.



Cj2i3 on 10 February 2014

Both would lose out ;(



KingofTrolls on 10 February 2014
ECM said:
I can't believe this is even a question--let alone that anyone is voting Europe. It could be the *world* against NA and NA would still win. A huge percentage of you have *no idea* either a. how powerful the US mil is or b. how weak nearly every other mil on earth is, in comparison.

(I'm sure someone, somewhere, in here has already enumerated this, but Jesus...put down the games and pick up some books and read some current events, guys. It's so lopsided that there shouldn't even be a question of who walks away from this fight with most of its limbs attached. Stop voting loyalty--or anti-Americanism--and join us in reality.)

Russia mil is actually very strong. 

I can't believe somebody really says world vs NA and NA still win. 

U need to pick some books, bro.