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vivster on 09 February 2014
Zekkyou said:
vivster said:

Now that I've seen the whole Bonus round I realise that this quote was completely out of context. It was just one of the mentions why Pachter thinks PSNow is going to fail. His main point was that Sony will not be able to secure enough 3rd party titles so their own library wouldn't be big enough to sustain the service.

He also said that if the subscription price is too low they won't get any content and if it is too high they won't get enough subscribers. That is just simple math. He said the peak subscription number would be 1 million and that they won't keep them that high.

Also that one guy who said he liked it has obviously no idea how the internet works. Saying that PS1/2 games will have noticeable lower latency than PS3 games is just bullshit.

The service seems to be about giving players older stuff for now, so it shouldn't be that expensive to buy up a load of third party games that are 1/2+ years old. This gen people have been willing to spend full price on a HD re release of a PS2 trilogy. Ask them for the same amount every year for some older 3rd party games plus the PS3/PS2 and PS1 exclusive line ups and people should come running.

The service has to be stable though. If it's a lag fest PSNow will be dead within a few weeks.

But how many people really play older games and would like to pay premium for it? The service will be unplayable for people depending on their delay tolerance and where they live. Being stable doesn't change the technology behind it with its inherent lag.

In whole it just has so many possible drawbacks(content, price, lag), each of which alone could mean the death of the service.



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Darkjolly on 09 February 2014

I would take this over Halo, Fable, Donkey Kong or Mario any day

People say Nintendo has amazing first partys. But Sony is right up there with them



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NYANKS on 10 February 2014

Nothing to see here, this is moronic. Sony has some of the greatest output the industry has seen.



Zekkyou on 10 February 2014
vivster said:

But how many people really play older games and would like to pay premium for it? The service will be unplayable for people depending on their delay tolerance and where they live. Being stable doesn't change the technology behind it with its inherent lag.

In whole it just has so many possible drawbacks(content, price, lag), each of which alone could mean the death of the service.

Sony said you will only need a 5MB/sec speed to have a good experience with PSNow. The average speed in the US is already past that, and is increasing pretty quickly, so the main problem will be the server side stability. 

As i said this gen people have been willing to spend £40 for a HD collection of a single series. If that many people are willing to fork out that kinda money to play a single series in HD, then imagine how many will happily jump on getting hundreds of SCE games from the PS1/PS2 and PS3 for the same price? Let's not forget you will also be able to rent specific games, for those not willing to sub.

Of course it wont launch with all of them, it only needs to start with some. SCE's games alone could keep PSNow subscribers busy for years, let alone any old third party games they can rope in.



burninmylight on 10 February 2014

Am I the only one that feels nervous about Pachter trolling something other than Nintendo?

 



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chocoloco on 10 February 2014
NYANKS said:
Nothing to see here, this is moronic. Sony has some of the greatest output the industry has seen.


Now come now, you almost give the mindless response on a Nintendo fanboy to any Pacher quote. Howmanyexclusive new content does Sony have for PS3 and PS4 this year alone?  not that much. There probably would not be tons of new conent now on PS now without the support of 3rd parties. PS now will probably get little new content frm PS  now from third parties ever, as they will make more money selling it at full price.



vivster on 10 February 2014
Zekkyou said:
vivster said:

But how many people really play older games and would like to pay premium for it? The service will be unplayable for people depending on their delay tolerance and where they live. Being stable doesn't change the technology behind it with its inherent lag.

In whole it just has so many possible drawbacks(content, price, lag), each of which alone could mean the death of the service.

Sony said you will only need a 5MB/sec speed to have a good experience with PSNow. The average speed in the US is already past that, and is increasing pretty quickly, so the main problem will be the server side stability.

As i said this gen people have been willing to spend £40 for a HD collection of a single series. If that many people are willing to fork out that kinda money to play a single series in HD, then imagine how many will happily jump on getting hundreds of SCE games from the PS1/PS2 and PS3 for the same price? Let's not forget you will also be able to rent specific games, for those not willing to sub.

Of course it wont launch with all of them, it only needs to start with some. SCE's games alone could keep PSNow subscribers busy for years, let alone any old third party games they can rope in.

I will repeat this as long as people finally understand. The bandwidth has absolutely nothing to do with delay through the internet. It just dictates how much the video stream has to be compressed. You can have a ten gigabit connection and you will still notice the lag. People who use anything but terrestrial connections will have even higher lag. It is an interactive videostream and it cannot be compared to normal online play where only major delays influence personal gameplay. We're talking about actual and direct input lag. That cannot be eradicated. Not now and not in 10 years.

People were paying 40 bucks for collections with graphical updates and trophies, not just to play an old game.



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sabastian on 10 February 2014

As a playstation gamer from the ps1 to current playstation 4. I would pay $10 a month to have access to ALL ps1/ ps2/ ps3 games.
Onimusha series
Jak & Daxter series
Rogue Galaxy
Dark Cloud 2
Devil May Cry series
Manhunt series
MGS series
Legacy Of Kane series
Socom series

This should keep me busy between my ps+ and ps4 games.

And as of now the recent word out from beta testers are that Playstation Now is running smoothly.



Justagamer on 10 February 2014
DD_Bwest said:

well if Patcher thinks they only have 30 first party games i think we can safely say any numbers we ever get from him are completely useless.

 

SCE punblished 105 PS1 games.  Im to lazy to count ps2 and 3 lol


But you shouldn't just go by published... Nintendo published ninja gaiden on the wiiu, they also published some old square titles too, and others I can't think of off the top of my head... I just came home from a 12 hour shift, so I'm surprised I even thought of those...



prayformojo on 10 February 2014

I own a PS4 and a Wii-U and so far, it feels like that Nintendo is the only console with a true software identity. Sony has some games, sure, but when I think of it's biggest titles, far more than half will come out for the Xbone.

How many "big" Wii-U games will also come out on the other two? Almost none? That's my point.