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FlamingWeazel said:
vivster said:

Now that I've seen the whole Bonus round I realise that this quote was completely out of context. It was just one of the mentions why Pachter thinks PSNow is going to fail. His main point was that Sony will not be able to secure enough 3rd party titles so their own library wouldn't be big enough to sustain the service.


Still BS see Ps Plus. Its more for back catalogue, pachter is a moron.

So how many subscribers do you think will PSNow have and at what price?

Pachter said a million peak.



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Well he is kinda right. Sony has some good IP's but they are not exactly the reason why I buy a Sony console.



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JayWood2010 said:
What i do know is that Sony had a stretch last gen that was unmatched in 2009-2011. The rest of the gen was ok for them outside of naughty dog.


I felt 2012 was a bit meh, but 2013 was pretty good from their first party. TLOU was the only "holy shit" game, but everything else was still good.

 

God of War: Ascension

Beyond Two Souls (technically second party)

Gran Turismo 6

The Last of US

Ratchet & Clank: Into the Nexus (shush, it's a first party IP :P)

Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time

 

Plus a load of great third party exclusives like Ni No Kuni.

To be honesty they should probably have been concentrating more on PS4 development in 2013, but hey ho :P Sony never have been great at launch line ups.

But yeah, 2009 - 2011 was glorious.



http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=1535&platform=PS3&genre=&minSales=0&results=200

Number of PS3 SCE titles for which VGC has recorded >1 sales = 159

Total number of PS3 SCE titles in total listed by VGC = 468.

Plenty to go on, and that's just the HD generation. If we look at PS2 and PS1 there will be close to or even more than 1000 games just from SCE that could theoretically go onto PS Now on day 1. I know there are a ton of PS3 and PS2 (and maybe even PS1) games that I'd like to play (or at least try) but I wouldn't buy, ro that are not available for me to buy (and in the case of PS1 and PS1 I no longer have either console so PS Now would be the only way I could play.

AND I bloody well want to play Valkyria Chronicles 2 and 3, but I don't want to play on PSP. If I can get it through PS Now via PS4, rather than having to buy Vita TV and download then that's probably how I'd play those games.

And if all of Sony's 1st party games on PS4 are available through PS Now from day 1, then that makes it an even more valuable service. Not that I think Sony will do that, they will probably make PS4 titles available through PS Now after 6 months or a year depending on how they sell.

No, this is Pachter merely trying to justify his earlier misguided statement saying that PS Now is a dumb idea. It's a great idea and it permanently deals with the "problem" of [the lack of] backwards compatibility.

3rd parties will come on board. It's no skin off their nose to make legacy titles available through this service, including PS4 titles after a couple of years. And it's money for nothing. Why wouldn't 3rd parties allow thier PS1, PS2, PS3 and PSP titles to be made available? It's really only the annual release clones (CoD, Fifa, Madden, etc) that wouldn;t be worth releasing. So even in this Pachter is wrong. Companies wiill be interested in any revenue streams they can get, as long as they don't think people will avoid buying current gen games because they're all playing the older gen titles on PS Now. Which I don't think will be the case. Sony has a good business case for 3rd parties.

Personally I think the smorgasbord subscription model is the future for gaming. Onlive was, as is usually the case with pioneers, the guinea pig doomed to failuyre because they came along too soon. But it is the future. Pachter is still living in the past. That means the death of the specialist video game store, and eventually the death of the dedicated gaming console. And I'm quite fine with that.



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vivster said:

Now that I've seen the whole Bonus round I realise that this quote was completely out of context. It was just one of the mentions why Pachter thinks PSNow is going to fail. His main point was that Sony will not be able to secure enough 3rd party titles so their own library wouldn't be big enough to sustain the service.

He also said that if the subscription price is too low they won't get any content and if it is too high they won't get enough subscribers. That is just simple math. He said the peak subscription number would be 1 million and that they won't keep them that high.

Also that one guy who said he liked it has obviously no idea how the internet works. Saying that PS1/2 games will have noticeable lower latency than PS3 games is just bullshit.

The service seems to be about giving players older stuff for now, so it shouldn't be that expensive to buy up a load of third party games that are 1/2+ years old. This gen people have been willing to spend full price on a HD re release of a PS2 trilogy. Ask them for the same amount every year for some older 3rd party games plus the PS3/PS2 and PS1 exclusive line ups and people should come running.

The service has to be stable though. If it's a lag fest PSNow will be dead within a few weeks.



FlamingWeazel said:
generic-user-1 said:
well sony doesnt have so much good selling 1st party titles. u dont buy ps4 for 1st party, u buy it for 3rd party...


Hogwash as usual.


Nah. I think the PS4 and xbox platforms are primarily bought for third party.

 

Anyways, I am not commening on Pacher quotes until I get the full quote. Most of his quotes are not made in context and are quoted in a way to make some sort of agenda in an article. Then some person quotes the article and makes some generally bullshi out of context news a seemingly real story.aka bullshit internet news.



DD_Bwest said:

well if Patcher thinks they only have 30 first party games i think we can safely say any numbers we ever get from him are completely useless.

 

SCE punblished 105 PS1 games.  Im to lazy to count ps2 and 3 lol


- 136 PS2 games

- 153 PS3 games

- 10 PS4 games so far

 

Sony sure doesn't deliver on that field, them basterds...

 

EDIT: for the sake of the comparison

Microsoft:

- 58 Xbox games

- 67 X360 games

- 11 X1 games or something like that so far

 

Nintendo:

- 49 N64 games

- 57 GC games

- 77 Wii games

- 15 WiiU games

 

Total:

- Sony: 404 Games

- Microsoft: 136 Games

- Nintendo: 198 Games

- Microsoft + Nintendo: 334

 

Sony has 70 games more than those two put together. For a fairer comparison, let's take approximately the same time frame.

 

- Sony: 299 games

- Microsot: 136 games

- Nintendo: 149 games

- Microsoft + Nintendo: 285 games

 

Damn, fuck off Sony, release some games already!!



Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
DD_Bwest said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
Wow, Pachter saying something bad about Sony and not Nintendo for once? Damnn, is it chirstmas already?

But seriously... 30 games isn't much? That sounds like a lot to me, wtf Pachter... Someone needs to list all first party games


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_published_by_Sony_Computer_Entertainment

Wouldnt any game SCE publish count?   there are hundreds..

Now that thats done, we should all go send that wiki link to Pachter's twitter and tell him to shut the hell up

You realize that will validate him, right?

He has commented before how he get's flack from some fans.  Maybe he will read them on the show.



 

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After watching what said, it just echos what he said that third parties will not support it with new content and he is probably right. Now that I think about it, with semi-new-titles like Metro the last light and Bioshock infinite already being on playstation plus it seems unlikely PS now can do better in terms of new content. His skepticism of the success on PS now seems justified. Watch it all people.