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Justagamer on 10 February 2014
pezus said:
Zappykins said:
I'd say Sony, because it's hard to push a console for a company 1. that is expected to declare bankruptcy soon. They seem really panicked and unhappy. Even at a cheaper price and more markets, 2. it's barely leading.

But it's interesting, each of the fans of a company seem to reflect the values and principals of that company.

1. That is not expected.

2. I wouldn't call over a 1.5m lead and counting in just two months barely leading. It's selling about twice what One is doing every week now.

1. It's been speculated for a while now, and is a real possibility of happening, what rock have you been hiding under?

2. Yes, the ps4 is substantially outselling the x1. But the x1 numbers overall are pretty good, it's just the ps4 numbers are better.

1. Seriously, Sony is in real trouble, and in a path leading straight to bankruptcy without massive restructuring.... Now you know. You are welcome!



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Justagamer on 10 February 2014
Fusioncode said:
Justagamer said:
Fusioncode said:

It comes down to the games too.  They just don't seem to have the high profile games down that are exclusives.  Te big ones they do are multi plats.  Just looks like it will be rough waters ahead.

And the Bankruptsy part, unfortunately many analist do predict it: http://www.ign.com/blogs/kingalex94/2014/01/03/sony-has-a-79-of-going-bankrupt-soon

It's been going that way for a long time.

1. They have Infamous coming next month with Uncharted, Driveclub, and The Order 1886 on their way. I don't see how that's any worse than the XBO lineup of Titanfall, Project Spark, Quantum Break, and possible a Halo 2 remake. Clearly those PS4 games don't appeal to you but it's shortsighted to say they aren't high profile. And Considering the XBO is doing terribly in Europe and has no chance in Japan; I think it's the one that has rough waters ahead. Especially since it's currently losing in the US, where it dominated last gen.

2. One of the IGN comments summed up that article pretty well, let me post it:

 

All these economists did was use a custom Altman z-score algorithm according to their methodology, which is linear algebra and statistics. It's a decent predictor of bankruptcy for solely manufacturing companies, of which Sony is not. That's part of their business, the rest's in finance, for which this algorithm's basis is inappropriate and inaccurate as a metric. It's also dependent on how they bin their data, etc. for a variety of parameters that determine the score.

The reason it's so poor a metric for Sony's financial aspects has to do with stochastic fluctuations that directly affect their financial business making a time-series analysis a more appropriate metric. Before I read this blog, I knew *none* of this. I just used your links and Google to do some research. I'm only a mathematician, so I don't know finances per se. All I know is that their given metric is not well suited to predicting Sony's future based on my brief readings. Thus, I'm not terribly concerned from this report based on what I just learned. -Peace

 


I sure am glad I read this post.... Those analysts sl early don't know what they're talking about saying Sony is verging on bankruptcy... Kaz harai coming in to "turn" the company around must mean they're doing great, and he will make them do great....er. Gosh, I am relieved that your analysis shows that Sony is nowhere near bankruptcy... It makes me wonder why everywhere you read, that Sony is losing billions, for years now, and headed towards bankruptcy.... Oh, because they are.

Huh? What in the world are you talking about? Please show me where I said that Sony was "doing great" or they are "nowhere near bankruptcy". That commentator I quoted explained why Macroaxis' estimate doesn't entirely work for a company like Sony. I have no idea where you got all that other crap from.

It was a mistake. Sorry, I didn't mean to respond to you. I deleted it, but you were too quick! Sorry bout that, but that's why it didn't really make a lot of sense. I'm on my iPhone, I did read your post, but a few others too, and  made the wrong one to you... Your post is fine, and you didn't say Sony is doing great.... But someone else did... Again, sorry.



MoHasanie on 10 February 2014
Justagamer said:

1. Seriously, Sony is in real trouble, and in a path leading straight to bankruptcy without massive restructuring.... Now you know. You are welcome!

They are not on the path to bankruptcy! They sold off their PC division so half the problem is solved. Now they need to get rid of their TV division and things will become much much better for them. 



    

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Fusioncode on 10 February 2014
Justagamer said:
Fusioncode said:
Justagamer said:
Fusioncode said:

It comes down to the games too.  They just don't seem to have the high profile games down that are exclusives.  Te big ones they do are multi plats.  Just looks like it will be rough waters ahead.

And the Bankruptsy part, unfortunately many analist do predict it: http://www.ign.com/blogs/kingalex94/2014/01/03/sony-has-a-79-of-going-bankrupt-soon

It's been going that way for a long time.

1. They have Infamous coming next month with Uncharted, Driveclub, and The Order 1886 on their way. I don't see how that's any worse than the XBO lineup of Titanfall, Project Spark, Quantum Break, and possible a Halo 2 remake. Clearly those PS4 games don't appeal to you but it's shortsighted to say they aren't high profile. And Considering the XBO is doing terribly in Europe and has no chance in Japan; I think it's the one that has rough waters ahead. Especially since it's currently losing in the US, where it dominated last gen.

2. One of the IGN comments summed up that article pretty well, let me post it:

 

All these economists did was use a custom Altman z-score algorithm according to their methodology, which is linear algebra and statistics. It's a decent predictor of bankruptcy for solely manufacturing companies, of which Sony is not. That's part of their business, the rest's in finance, for which this algorithm's basis is inappropriate and inaccurate as a metric. It's also dependent on how they bin their data, etc. for a variety of parameters that determine the score.

The reason it's so poor a metric for Sony's financial aspects has to do with stochastic fluctuations that directly affect their financial business making a time-series analysis a more appropriate metric. Before I read this blog, I knew *none* of this. I just used your links and Google to do some research. I'm only a mathematician, so I don't know finances per se. All I know is that their given metric is not well suited to predicting Sony's future based on my brief readings. Thus, I'm not terribly concerned from this report based on what I just learned. -Peace

 


I sure am glad I read this post.... Those analysts sl early don't know what they're talking about saying Sony is verging on bankruptcy... Kaz harai coming in to "turn" the company around must mean they're doing great, and he will make them do great....er. Gosh, I am relieved that your analysis shows that Sony is nowhere near bankruptcy... It makes me wonder why everywhere you read, that Sony is losing billions, for years now, and headed towards bankruptcy.... Oh, because they are.

Huh? What in the world are you talking about? Please show me where I said that Sony was "doing great" or they are "nowhere near bankruptcy". That commentator I quoted explained why Macroaxis' estimate doesn't entirely work for a company like Sony. I have no idea where you got all that other crap from.

It was a mistake. Sorry, I didn't mean to respond to you. I deleted it, but you were too quick! Sorry bout that, but that's why it didn't really make a lot of sense. I'm on my iPhone, I did read your post, but a few others too, and  made the wrong one to you... Your post is fine, and you didn't say Sony is doing great.... But someone else did... Again, sorry.

Oh alright then. Well no harm done. 



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Devil_Survivor on 10 February 2014
MoHasanie said:
Zappykins said:

And it shows.

And that's pretty funny calling me factually inncorrect with you 'creative' math.  But hey, you make me thankful I went with the console that I did. 

So thank you for affiming Xbox is the place to game!

I'm not quite sure what your saying. I was just pointing out that your vague sentence about the PS4 "barely leading" was wrong. Also my simple math calculations are correct: The ps4 has sold almost 50% more becuse we only know that the PS4 sold 4.2 million by Dec 28th whereas the X1 sold 3 million in the whole of 2013. So I think its safe to assume that PS4 is more than 40% ahead in sales from the sales figures that we know.

You really need to go back to school and learn math :P.



 

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dane007 on 10 February 2014
Fusioncode said:
dane007 said:
Theres no reason for it to be difficult. Just be a fan of all three and enjoy benefits that come with it :)

Not controversial enough. If you have something nice to say then don't say anything at all. 


Oh kk then. its hard to be a fan of either MS , Sony or  Nintendo due to whiny cod bieber like haters 



Riot Of The Blood on 10 February 2014

Nintendo fan because they haven't given us a good product since the Gamecube. We no longer have the option of going Nintendo only. Their modern consoles are extremely lacking.



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Zappykins on 10 February 2014
MoHasanie said:
Zappykins said:

Is it official they are spinning off TV's?  Cause that's what me, and most people from my gen think of a Sony's big thing.  It would be like pokimon killing off  pickachu.

Yeah its confirmed that they will make the TV division a seperate subsidiary by July 2014. I still don't see how its going to sort things though since spining it off will not make it profitable and it will still continue making huge loses but lets see if Hirai's plan works out. 

Well, it doesn't mean it will be profitable, but it will be off Sony's books (and the debt, operating cost, etc.)

Back in the day, Sony TV's were the thing.  I still thought it was awful with they did with VCR talks and Betamax.  It was like when Apple licensed all these 3rd parties to make 'Apple Clones' like IBM (aka PC Clones) and then sued them right before they came out.  Destroying all these businesses and jobs that had worked hard to try to give Apple computers a real chance in the market to compete with PC's. 

Karma can be a real tough slap sometimes.



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

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