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morenoingrato said:
Euphoria14 said:
morenoingrato said:

I'm just saying, you are basically applying #2 on yourself.


What's #2?

B.) XBox Sony fans are always attacked and are victims of a biased internet.

Well, that's a B.), not #2.

Anyways, I don't know how you're getting that from what i said. Maybe I am just seemingly putting it across that way, but it isn't my intent. I don't feel like a victim in the least.

 

Also, why label me a Sony fan? I play on iOS more than anything these days. Well besides Pokemon Y and my copy of Bravely Default that I will be grabbing on the way home from work. Played the shit out of that demo and thanks to a little trick I found on the net I will start with a solid 20 friends to work on my town.

Is it the sig? Maybe I should change it to a Nintendo theme. I feel like being a Nintendo fan next. Wouldn't be the first time people called me one of those either.



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sales2099 said:
Torillian said:
Lafiel said:
Devil_Survivor said:

The thing about the PS2 is that Sony fans were saying back then that graphics don't matter when their system of choice was the less powerful graphically and then when the PS3 comes out then do a complete 180 and said the graphics are the end be all of gaming and that's why people say Sony fans are the worst. 

so, I suppose we are back to including the regular fan in this, instead of just the zealot, which for unknown reasons decided to make a console manufacturer his substitute religion and hence won't allow any critique, while violently attacking anything the competition does

and btw, accusing somebody of hypocrisy only works if it's the same person saying the one thing and then saying the opposite thing once it's convenient for him/her..  it doesn't work with a group of people, especially if that group never agreed to advocate a singular point of view

The amount of people that don't seem to understand your second paragraph is really infuriating.  How can you call a group hypocritical when you can't by any means prove that the same people were saying both comments.  If you can find one particular person that said both than yes they are a hypocrit, but you can't apply that same logic to a group of millions when you have thousands of examples at best.  That's still less than 1% of the sample size and if you don't have any proof that the .1% that said graphics didn't matter are the same .1% that are now extolling the virtures of the PS4 comparison to XBone, then you are just looking for reasons to shit on Sony fans.  

It goes on the idea that the fanbase is accountable for eachother. That the vocal speak for the masses and thereby also represent them. We are not individuals that just happen to own the same console....we are part of a team with similar ideas and cultures. Even if some don't agree with eachother, the people of every fanbase are bound by a consencus on certain subjects by default.

I also believe in the idea of "perception = reality" where you are only viewed in the reality of how your peers and enemies view you, not by how you percieve yourself.

I personally see this as no different int he real world, where oversimplified generalizations are the norm. Unfair, biased, and sample sizes not indicative of the whole? You betcha. Still the norm and is human nature to continue to do so. It is simple and immediate rather then doing painstaking research, only to have even that refuted just as easily.

I can most definately be called out for something another number of Xbox fans say but myself personally didn't say. It is unfair, but I feel I am accountable for my fellow fans by default. I apologize and in the future I do my part to change the opinions of fellow fans accordingly.

Sales, this must be the worst post I have ever seen on vgchartz. In my entire 4 years ive been here. Everything you said is exactly what is wrong with our forums everything.



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FlamingWeazel said:
hinch said:
Euphoria14 said:
Oh yay, another "Sony fans are the worst" thread. How predictable.

Glad I mainly lurk these days as it seems things never change. No poin in having these discussions for another generation.

Yup, same here.

Also, funny how these kind of topics are kept open and others are shut down immediately. Nothing good ever comes out of these kinds of threads. The only thing it do, is bring out the usual suspects who will (for the most part) put forward the same petty and meaningless little arguments, to openly bash each other. Its one of the many reasons why I don't really bother posting here anymore.

it's ridiculous, the last few weeks I have seen numerous same posters generalize, put down the sony fanbase... because ps4 is doing well seems some cannot handle it. Not sure why some get bannned here for saying boo, others can get away with insulting a fanbase with impunity. Every fanbase has it's abd apples, period.

 

Nintendo's Problems are it's Fanboys!

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=177814&page=1#

"Nintendo has won gen 9!" - The fantasy world of Nintendo fans (vs. the sane Sony fanbase)

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=177700&page=1#

 

came out just 2 Days ago. Every fanbase gets generalized, it is just more obvious to you when you are part of it.

...as in general, to emphasise your point.



DarkWraith said:
you don't appear to know what cognitive dissonance is

yes i do, its like people ignoring the 1 billion $ loss and even if people show a certain person they will still see it as not that bad of a thing.

but on the same token , trying to change someone's mind over what is good or bad is based on subjective perceptioin in many times on many factors, not just one view. Some people cannot handle other's not getting upset over something.

example:

People tend to seek consistency in their beliefs and perceptions. So what happens when one of our beliefs conflicts with another previously held belief? The term cognitive dissonance is used to describe the feeling of discomfort that results from holding two conflicting beliefs. When there is a discrepancy between beliefs and behaviors, something must change in order to eliminate or reduce the dissonance.

but certain group will not change that view! no matter the fact's. 

"The amount of dissonance people experience can depend on a few different factors, including how highly we value a particular belief and degree to which our beliefs are inconsistent."

the point is some look at a certain group of people that no matter what they show them that it's like talking to a brick wall. and many time's it irks the people about that they cannot convince those to change , but on the same token complain that those people not willing to admit things a certain way, and since they have the "largest voice" on the internet they are keeping the wrong "facts" alive despite what they were shown.




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Shinobi-san said:
sales2099 said:
Torillian said:
Lafiel said:
Devil_Survivor said:

The thing about the PS2 is that Sony fans were saying back then that graphics don't matter when their system of choice was the less powerful graphically and then when the PS3 comes out then do a complete 180 and said the graphics are the end be all of gaming and that's why people say Sony fans are the worst. 

so, I suppose we are back to including the regular fan in this, instead of just the zealot, which for unknown reasons decided to make a console manufacturer his substitute religion and hence won't allow any critique, while violently attacking anything the competition does

and btw, accusing somebody of hypocrisy only works if it's the same person saying the one thing and then saying the opposite thing once it's convenient for him/her..  it doesn't work with a group of people, especially if that group never agreed to advocate a singular point of view

The amount of people that don't seem to understand your second paragraph is really infuriating.  How can you call a group hypocritical when you can't by any means prove that the same people were saying both comments.  If you can find one particular person that said both than yes they are a hypocrit, but you can't apply that same logic to a group of millions when you have thousands of examples at best.  That's still less than 1% of the sample size and if you don't have any proof that the .1% that said graphics didn't matter are the same .1% that are now extolling the virtures of the PS4 comparison to XBone, then you are just looking for reasons to shit on Sony fans.  

It goes on the idea that the fanbase is accountable for eachother. That the vocal speak for the masses and thereby also represent them. We are not individuals that just happen to own the same console....we are part of a team with similar ideas and cultures. Even if some don't agree with eachother, the people of every fanbase are bound by a consencus on certain subjects by default.

I also believe in the idea of "perception = reality" where you are only viewed in the reality of how your peers and enemies view you, not by how you percieve yourself.

I personally see this as no different int he real world, where oversimplified generalizations are the norm. Unfair, biased, and sample sizes not indicative of the whole? You betcha. Still the norm and is human nature to continue to do so. It is simple and immediate rather then doing painstaking research, only to have even that refuted just as easily.

I can most definately be called out for something another number of Xbox fans say but myself personally didn't say. It is unfair, but I feel I am accountable for my fellow fans by default. I apologize and in the future I do my part to change the opinions of fellow fans accordingly.

Sales, this must be the worst post I have ever seen on vgchartz. In my entire 4 years ive been here. Everything you said is exactly what is wrong with our forums everything.


Yeah was embarassing really. The best part is how he says he cannot be called out for what other xbox fans say, then turns aroud and slams all sony fans with one broad brush....lol.



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Azerth said:
Kasz216 said:

Is Sony projecting a 1.1 billion loss?

Yes.

 

Is that particularly bad?  

Not really, because Sony is a sick financial company, everyone was expecting at least that in the financial world.

What does matter.... is what they are doing to try and dig out of that hole.

 

Which, is quite a bit that looks pretty good, like spinning off their ailing tv buisness and other cash sinkholes.

 

If I were an analyst i'd upgrade Sony from a sell to a hold. 

Though i'd be wary of abenomics.

So its not bad that they went from projecting a profit to now projecting a billion dollar lose.   That sounds bad to me

As far as I know they never projected a profit for this year.

They projected 1.1 billion loss...

then didn't alter that projection even after the profitable quarter.



ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Some things never change here in vgchartz.

SONY FANS ARE THE WORST ... BLAH BLAH BLAH , BROKEN RECORD ...

just one example:

go see the signatures of the sony fans in vgchartz , then go see the sign of some of the microsoft fans in vgchartz, yea ...

What's your point here exactly?



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osed125 said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Some things never change here in vgchartz.

SONY FANS ARE THE WORST ... BLAH BLAH BLAH , BROKEN RECORD ...

just one example:

go see the signatures of the sony fans in vgchartz , then go see the sign of some of the microsoft fans in vgchartz, yea ...

What's your point here exactly?

that he loves the last of us? :D

Thanks for the summary of what was in the video btw, not sure who wrote it but I was slightly interested but not enough to want to give the guys youtube video a view. Like people have said here, this is stuff which has been said before and will be said again and again. As for N4G's fanbase being "slightly" more fans of Sony, this isn't a secret and it isn't news to anyone who goes to gaming forums.



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Kasz216 said:
Azerth said:
Kasz216 said:

Is Sony projecting a 1.1 billion loss?

Yes.

 

Is that particularly bad?  

Not really, because Sony is a sick financial company, everyone was expecting at least that in the financial world.

What does matter.... is what they are doing to try and dig out of that hole.

 

Which, is quite a bit that looks pretty good, like spinning off their ailing tv buisness and other cash sinkholes.

 

If I were an analyst i'd upgrade Sony from a sell to a hold. 

Though i'd be wary of abenomics.

So its not bad that they went from projecting a profit to now projecting a billion dollar lose.   That sounds bad to me

As far as I know they never projected a profit for this year.

They projected 1.1 billion loss...

then didn't alter that projection even after the profitable quarter.

I cant post the link right now but they went from projecting a 30bill yen profit to the $1.1bill loss



Kasz216 said:

As far as I know they never projected a profit for this year.

They projected 1.1 billion loss...

then didn't alter that projection even after the profitable quarter.

Unfortunately, they did project a $294 million profit.  First paragragh.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/06/idUS300650745820140206



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