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ZyroXZ2 on 02 February 2014

Will VGChartz be matching official docs?  On a side note, these sales most likely include digital, so if VGChartz is accurate on retail physical, then we've been kind of underestimating digital sales...

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2014/140130e.pdf

I'm happy to see SM3DW approaching 2 mil!  It could be over that by now, considering we're in Feb now...

If this is a repost, this thread can be deleted/locked... :P

Edit: Page 4 if you want to jump to software sales numbers, lol



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tbone51 on 02 February 2014

I checked those #s, everything seems spot on so its good, the only thing that needs more adjustments are pokemon XY (undertracked by about 800k-1mil)



ZyroXZ2 on 03 February 2014
RolStoppable said:
VGC tracks sell-through of boxed products, so even if digital copies did not exist, VGC's numbers have to be lower than Nintendo's by default (who report shipped).

Also, the document clearly states that digital sales are included in the totals.

Yup, just saw that it says it includes "downloadable versions".

Also, if they include digital with shipped, that can't be correct... Manufacturers don't always use shipped-only figures (they're perfectly capable of getting sales numbers for their own products), and if they're including digital, digital is a "sold" unit.  Combining sold and unsold units wouldn't be professional, no?

I think those numbers are actual sales, versus "shipped"... I could be wrong, but nothing screams "shipped" in that document...  And they have to be pretty clear about stuff like that for financial reports...



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Nintentacle on 03 February 2014

I wonder how much of those Pokemon numbers are digital.



ZyroXZ2 on 03 February 2014
RolStoppable said:
ZyroXZ2 said:

Yup, just saw that it says it includes "downloadable versions".

Also, if they include digital with shipped, that can't be correct... Manufacturers don't always use shipped-only figures (they're perfectly capable of getting sales numbers for their own products), and if they're including digital, digital is a "sold" unit.  Combining sold and unsold units wouldn't be professional, no?

I think those numbers are actual sales, versus "shipped"... I could be wrong, but nothing screams "shipped" in that document...  And they have to be pretty clear about stuff like that for financial reports...

A shipped unit is a sold unit for Nintendo, just like a digital copy. Retailers buy from Nintendo, so Nintendo already got the money for their product, even if it still sits on store shelves. Whereas with a digital copy the money comes straight from the consumer. So in both cases Nintendo was already paid for their product, therefore it's not an incorrect way to report the figures in a financial statement, but the correct way.

Hmmm, perhaps this is where my misunderstanding was.  I knew retailers purchased stock, but thought they paid out a portion of their profit to the manufacturer once the item has sold.  I was always under the impression that retailers purchased stock at very low, volume prices, and then had to essentially split their profit with the manufacturer based on a percentage or cap set in a contract with the manufacturer.

I figured a manufacturer wouldn't count something as "sold" until they saw their cut from the sale, I didn't know that manufacturers were just selling them for resale by a retailer.



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Hibern81 on 03 February 2014

I know there are games for 2014 that have not been announced yet, but that list for the Wii U is anemic. Downright depressing to say the least.



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ZyroXZ2 on 03 February 2014
Hibern81 said:
I know there are games for 2014 that have not been announced yet, but that list for the Wii U is anemic. Downright depressing to say the least.


Wrong thread? lol



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Hibern81 on 03 February 2014

I was talking about the upcoming games on pages 7 and 8. I think I'm in the right place.....Where am I????



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outlawauron on 03 February 2014
ZyroXZ2 said:
RolStoppable said:
VGC tracks sell-through of boxed products, so even if digital copies did not exist, VGC's numbers have to be lower than Nintendo's by default (who report shipped).

Also, the document clearly states that digital sales are included in the totals.

Yup, just saw that it says it includes "downloadable versions".

Also, if they include digital with shipped, that can't be correct... Manufacturers don't always use shipped-only figures (they're perfectly capable of getting sales numbers for their own products), and if they're including digital, digital is a "sold" unit.  Combining sold and unsold units wouldn't be professional, no?

I think those numbers are actual sales, versus "shipped"... I could be wrong, but nothing screams "shipped" in that document...  And they have to be pretty clear about stuff like that for financial reports...

Unless quoting a tracking service, publishers are quoting shipped numbers because they're unable to track their own sales. This is why they pass hundreds of thousands of dollars to NPD, chart track, etc.



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ZyroXZ2 on 03 February 2014
Hibern81 said:
I was talking about the upcoming games on pages 7 and 8. I think I'm in the right place.....Where am I????

lol... The thread topic was intended to ask whether or not VGChartz will reflect official totals with digital sales, or remain tracking only physical :P

But I get ya now, haha :D



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