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Bill Gunn and Rhode Dogg are back!?!?



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pokoko said:
badgenome said:

Haha, lucky guess!

I actually heard about the WWEflix thing and, honestly, it sounded a bit tempting just to be able to watch old PPVs on demand. On the other hand, I remember them going so far as to bleep or blur out any mention of the WWF in the past, which made things pretty annoying to watch. If they still bowdlerize stuff like that, I'd not be too interested. On the other other hand, Vince does basically own the archives of every American wrestling promotion that ever was and I know they used to show that stuff online, so I might give it a whirl anyway.

I'm only vaguely aware of NXT, but it's basically a wrestling version of American Idol, right? Doesn't really sound much more offensive than the business exposing antics of Tough Enough way back when. But the problem with the whole thing, as with FCW and (more or less, although it wasn't WWE-owned) OVW, is that the WWE can't be its own farm league. It has always thrived off of seeing other promoters mishandle their talent and then stealing them away with the big bucks. Now that it can't do that anymore, they are boned until Vince croaks because he is always going to... well, be this guy:

 

Actually, NXT has quite often been better than RAW.  The Wyatt Family came from there, Adrian Neville (PAC) is there, Sami Zayn (El Generico) is there, and several other talented guys.  The Sami Zayn/Cesaro feud was excellent.  It also has MUCH better female wrestling than the main roster.  Of course, it's still the WWE, so they're trying to push a pretty boy, Bo Dallas, down everyone's throat, even though he gets booed a lot.

That NXT belt really reminds me of the x-division title because of that big X anyways Bo shouldn't be anywhere near the mic he makes Garrett Bischoff sound like a god on the mic.



 

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Wrestling sure has gone down hill in the last couple of years.

I am looking forward to WWE network though. Can go back and watch the Stone Cold era.



Xxain said:
Bill Gunn and Rhode Dogg are back!?!?


and tag team chamions of the world



badgenome said:
pokoko said:

Of course, it's still the WWE, so they're trying to push a pretty boy, Bo Dallas, down everyone's throat, even though he gets booed a lot.

Pretty boy? He looks like a slow-witted John Romero.

Fake edit: That's Mike Rotunda's kid? Wow... he definitely inherited his dad's mic skills.

Yep, and his brother is Bray Wyatt.  I think they're twins.  The average fan at ringside--unprepared--could probably cut a better promo.  I guess we know which brother got the verbal.

I posted that video because I know what a huge Mike Rotunda fan you are.  You're welcome.



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pokoko said:

I posted that video because I know what a huge Mike Rotunda fan you are.  You're welcome.

Hey, he was actually a decent tag wrestler. I liked his team with Steve Williams!



Probably just a work.



Well that sucks, and I really, really hope this is a work. The WWE needs to stop doubling down on old washed-up talent like Batista (who was obviously out of shape at the Rumble) and the Old Age Outlaws. They also need to realize that they can't rely on Cena and Orton as the top two names forever. What are they going to do when Cena ends up like Austin or Edge, or if they end up having to fire Orton because he gets his third strike? What about when all of HHH's buddies, HHH himself, and the Undertaker finally get too old to wrestle? And what if Lesnar ends up leaving for years again? The WWE's failure to properly invest in younger and/or more talented wrestlers is going to bite them in the ass one day. If they really wanted to do what's "best for business," to use the Authority's catchphrase, Punk, Bryan, Ziggler, Reigns, Ambrose, Rollins (a.k.a., former ROH champ Tyler Black), Cesaro, Langston, and Sandow should be top-card draws, and Cena, Orton, Big Show, and other older big names who probably only have a few years left in them would be used more sparingly, being pushed more towards road agent or goodwill ambassador status or used to help put over the younger talent. Also, half the current WWE roster is dead weight and should probably be fired, and maybe they ought to think about trying to woo some of the better talent from other organizations. Making Heyman and Mantel in charge of booking might help, too, as they historically have done good work in that area. Instead, the McMahon family seems to regard the WWE as something that exists not to entertain the fans, but to entertain themselves. How else can you explain Batista winning the Rumble after coming back from a less than amiable split from the company, or Road Dogg and Billy Gunn being tag champs, or guys like Sheamus (HHH's training buddy) and Khali (Vince loves giants) even having a job?



He is one of my favorite wrestlers, but honestly, I cannot blame him, and neither can any of you in good conscience.

The WWE product is absolute drizzling shit, and has been for years. That point was only further driven home by one of the absolute worst PPVs I've ever seen in my life, Royal Rumble 2014. The mere fact that Batista, a muscle-bound head-case who has been gone for 3-4 fucking years, gets to come back, win the Rumble, and automatically main event WM30, is both disgusting and pathetic.

I was a huge WWF/E fan from 1996 through, easily, 2007-2008. It was somewhere around there that I really started getting tired of their stale product, and after being the kind of fan who wouldn't miss a Raw or Smackdown for a solid decade, I gradually started watching less and less. My favorite wrestler, Undertaker, is long past his expiration date, I love the guy, he WAS amazing. But I'm ashamed that even if it's just once a year, he keeps dragging his aging, injured body into the ring for "one more match", even though he said back in 2001 that he didn't want to be one of those guys like Hogan or Flair that hung on too long, that became a shadow of their former selves in the ring. Yet that's exactly what he's done. He should have at least retired after going 20-0. At this juncture, it's just getting ridiculous, and he looks out of shape and awful with a shaved head. It's just very hard to see him anymore, I wish he would have retired with some grace while he was still "on top".


Another of my favorites, Edge, was forced to retire because of his neck. Others like Christian are barely used, or used badly, many like MVP, John Morrison, Shane Helms, Carlito, Mr. Kennedy, etc. are long gone.

And while Punk and Bryan have been the two wrestlers who have honestly kept me even remotely interested in the current WWE product, they have really fucked up with both of those guys big time. It's as if Vince and Co. literally don't know or don't care what the audience wants anymore. The whole point of professional wrestling, is for a promoter to pay close attention to how the audience reacts to certain wrestlers. If they start cheering a lot for one in particular, it behooves good common business sense to push the shit out of that guy, because that is the guy the fans want to see. That's what originally happened with Hogan. It's what happened with Bret Hart, and (sadly) Shawn Michaels. It's what happened with Undertaker, even though they didn't keep him near the top in his prime nearly enough. It's what happened with Austin and Rock and even Mick Foley. It's what happened at one point with Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit, as well as Chris Jericho, and Edge.

But the real problem here, is that going into WM30, the biggest show they'll have done since WM20 (which by the way was actually a great PPV), the top three guys they're pushing, are Orton, Cena, and a just-returned Batista. The same fucking three guys they had on top literally a decade ago. The same three guys that between them have 32 world title reigns. To put that in perspective, Austin, Rock and Foley between them had 19, 17 if you don't count Rock's two WCW/World title runs during the Invasion storyline, and 15 if don't count the last two times Rock has held the WWE championship, once coming back to hold it for a month just to put Brock Lesnar over, and the other just to have to lose to Cena at WM29. Regardless, 32 world championships between three guys is pretty fucking ridiculous, and it gets even more ridiculous if you want to include HHH's, the guy who is now running the show, own world title runs, most of which happened in that same decade.

There's a serious problem when you've utterly shit the bed and wasted THE two most over stars your company has had in the past few years. CM Punk was red lava hot after his infamous "pipe bomb" promo, and they had a real opportunity there to have their next "Austin" type figure, a guy the fans loved no matter what he did, an anti-authority figure who bucked the system and didn't give a fuck. They could have and should have pushed Punk to the fuckin' moon for the next several years after that promo. Instead, they pushed him for the next few months, before pushing him to the background. Yes, he had an over year-long WWE title reign, but that's the biggest joke of all, because while that is a major accomplishment, you wouldn't know it the way WWE treated their champion during all that time. He was rarely ever on the main event of Raw, let alone PPVs. Instead, he was pushed to the midcard defending the belt, while the programs WWE pushed to the forefront were Brock Lesnar vs. Cena, and Lesnar vs. HHH, etc. Then they turned him heel just so he could lose the belt to Rock, just so Rock could face Cena (pre-advertised a year in advance, for the second year in a row), at WM.

They totally shit the bed with Punk, and then they did the same thing with Bryan. "Daniel Bryan" has been one of the most popular, over stars they've had over the last couple years, especially this past year, and yet did they do the right thing, and cap off this stupid Corporation rehash storyline by having Bryan eventually overcome getting constantly screwed, and beating the bad guys, winning the belt back, and having his day in the sun? Nope. In fact they had him lose clean to Orton, and then quickly pushed him into the background so that Orton could feud with Cena, the guy he's feuded with 113 times in the past.

So...............yeah. I know I'm on a rant. But the bottom line is, I don't blame Punk one bit. And honestly, even though it's not really in his personality, I wouldn't blame Bryan Danielson for quitting either. In fact that'd be funny as fuck, for WWE to lose it's two most popular young stars, because Vince and HHH are so goddamn shortsighted that they can't see fan reaction for what it really is: People want to see Punk and Bryan on top. People would go APESHIT if Punk and Bryan got what they deserved, and main evented WM30. But that's not going to happen, because now apparently Punk has quit, and WWE would rather force the same stars from ten years ago down fans' throats, because, ironically enough, they do literally seem to think that that is "what's best for business".

Except maybe not..........fans seem to be reaching a breaking point. They rightfully booed the shit out of Orton vs. Cena, and booed the shit out of Batiasta winning the Rumble. Wouldn't that be something, if 70,000+ fans booed the shit out of the main event at Wrestlemania? And with Punk gone, it's not as if fans aren't going to know he's gone, and aren't going to know why. If Bryan continues getting fucked, or worse, eventually also walks out, there just may well be a sizable contingent of fans that walk away from WWE with them. And honestly.....THAT would be best for business. Perhaps that is what it would take, for WWE to finally stop taking their fans, and their hardest working young stars, for granted.



As noted earlier, Punk met with Vince McMahon on Monday before RAW and informed him of his decision to take time off. Punk's WWE contract expires in July and has been very vocal about the possibility of leaving for good this summer. We're told that his decision to leave is not due to an injury, but because he is unhappy with the handling of his character and the overall direction of the company. He's been very vocal about this and has money saved up. His attitude has always been that he's not afraid to speak up and doesn't care if he's fired for doing so.

Punk had been scheduled to wrestle Triple H at WrestleMania, but is no longer expected to work the show and is no longer advertised for any upcoming live events. He's stated in multiple interviews that his one remaining goal in WWE was to main event WrestleMania. In recent months it became clear that he was not going to be part of the main event this year. He's also said to be very frustrated with WWE bringing in part-time wrestlers (The Rock, Brock Lesnar, Batista) and giving them main event programs instead of the guys who have been working full-time for years and giving the company everything they have.

We reported on Monday that WWE had completely overhauled the script for this week's RAW, which was not completed until an hour or two before the show went on the air. The rewrites were partially due to the huge negative reaction to the Royal Rumble pay-per-view, however it was CM Punk's announcement to management that he was leaving that also caused a lot of the changes.

There are some reports that Punk was scheduled to wrestle Antonio Cesaro on RAW in an Elimination Chamber qualifying match, which would have seen Cesaro defeat Punk with help from Kane. Punk was not backstage at RAW during the night and he was not backstage at Tuesday's SmackDown tapings. Punk left the building shortly before RAW went live after a meeting with Vince McMahon.

During a recent interview with Ariel Hewani, Punk spoke about working the crazy WWE schedule, and only ever taking time off for injuries. Punk worked over 50-minutes in Sunday's Royal Rumble match, and was described as being "pissy" backstage. But some have said that this is not unusual for him. He has "good days" and "bad days".

Another source noted that Punk's last goal was to work a WrestleMania main event, and that it may be a situation where Punk realized it wasn't going to happen this year and with his WWE deal expiring and him being so goal oriented, it may have weighed him down when he realized it would not happen.

Also during the Ariel Hewani interview, Punk was asked about WWE killing his momentum at times and why such things happen and stated that he'd like to think they don't make those decisions on purpose and it's more they wanted to go in another decision and that it was a different era.

Also, Punk has been working through several nagging injuries over the course of the last year and has overall been very unhappy with the reality that WWE no longer sees him as "the guy." One source said, "this has been building up for awhile now. It didn't happen overnight."

As noted earlier, the plan was to work towards a CM Punk vs. Triple H match at WrestleMania 30, but now it seems as if WWE may slide Daniel Bryan into that slot.

Pauley sent this in: I was at Punk's Portland Comic Con and I didn't feel the need to relay the information until he departed from WWE. There are two key parts of his Q&A that stand out in retrospect.

1. He was very upset about Batista getting the WrestleMania main event, which pretty much spoiled the Royal Rumble. He clarified he was friends with "Dave" and that "they" would not be happy, but he wanted to be honest and it was Daniel Bryan's year. Actually, he said Bryan Danielson but corrected quickly.

2. He was very disinterested in the current product. Asked about promos he defeatedly made comments like "I show up. Someone tells me what to do and I just go out do it and leave." He implied his recent work was not good and was down to only using two moves a match.

Punk was very nice, engaged, and happy with his fans but in regards to wrestling and WWE he was definitely despondent and unhappy.

-- TMZSports.com also seems to confirm this report with the following post:

WWE superstar CM Punk is QUITTING the organization, TMZ Sports has learned ... and sources tell us it's all because he's PISSED over the way the company wants to use him at "WrestleMania."

Sources close to the situation tell TMZ Sports ... Punk was livid when he learned officials scripted Batista to win the Royal Rumble ... because he feels Batista isn't in great wrestling shape and shouldn't be featured in the title match at the upcoming WrestleMania (the biggest event of the year).

We're told Punk feels he earned the right to be in the main event at WrestleMania -- because he's been wrestling tirelessly over the past year from house shows to overseas events. Punk was angry when he found out he'd be wrestling Triple H at WrestleMania instead of squaring off in the title match.

Sources say ... Punk -- whose contract is up in July -- made the decision to leave WWE after "Monday Night Raw" -- and we're told that right now, he's very serious about his decision and has no plans to return.





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