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Forums - Gaming - Former Sony Dev: Wii Was 100M Fad & May Not Be Repeated, Nintendo Have Done S**t Job Promoting Wii U

Mummelmann on 27 January 2014

The headline should be; "big mouthed developer says *insert doom*", people's focus on him being former Sony staff is hilarious.



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zippy on 27 January 2014

Nintendo's woes are cetainly outing all the industry haters (unless they are anonymous of course). They are down but not out and karma can be a bitch.



supernihilist on 27 January 2014
Mummelmann said:
The headline should be; "big mouthed developer says *insert doom*", people's focus on him being former Sony staff is hilarious.




Figgycal on 27 January 2014
supernihilist said:
Figgycal said:
supernihilist said:
Figgycal said:
supernihilist said:

Wii was a fad yet it sold more games than Vita by a land side this year.
Wii is still selling strong in SW deparment and still sells HW. He beat N64 and GC on the HW leg deparment.
HOW IN THE HELL IS THAT A FAD?!?!?!?
are motion controls a fad? thats another story....

 

i agree about WiiU though

Look at Nintendo's numbers since the NES:

62 mil for NES

49 mil for SNES

32.9 mil for N64

22 mil for Gamecube

100 mil for Wii

18 mil for Wii U...

There's a clear spike that defies pretty much all logic; followed by a huge dropoff for the Wii and it's successor. That's pretty indicative of a fad. The fact that it's still selling software made for the casual audience is because of its 100 mil+ stong install base of a mostly casual audience.


Sony went from 160M consoles to 90M with the PS3. i guess that spike that is comparable to GC to Wii proves PS3 is a fad too.LOL.NO. It sold 100M because it was a great product very well marketed period.

You just made up the 18M number for WiiU. And its a pretty bad prediction by the way, your not going to make it.

Wii is still selling quite a lot of SW because is not a fad. Thats a real indicative.

@bold: Too high?

Sony's audience was split between PS3 and 360 (a completely different demographic from Nintendo's audience). PlayStations big drop-off was compensated by Xbox's spike in sales: Xbox One went from 24 mil sold to about 85 mil lifetime for the 360. The Wii's dropoff is compensated by what? It isn't Wii U sales. The novelty of the Wii wore off and people moved on, while the PS3 and 360 and their successors are still selling very well.

I added an edit to the post you quoted btw: "Notice how in the same year that the Wii had a 31% drop in sales- the PS3 and 360 were actually up yoy..." (Correction the PS3 was actually down 4% that year, but up the next).

Fact is PS2 to PS3 drop is similar in userbase to Wii  to WiiU, fact is WiiU is a lot more expensive that Wii ever was, fact is you are making up the WiiU LTD number.

Everything elso is just low-tier conjecture to fit your agenda.

I am making up the Wii U's lifetime as a prediction of how the trend of Nintendo's home console sales were going prior to Wii.

As far as price goes... that remains to be seen. Maybe if the Wii U was $199; more people would buy it. But the audience and novelty Nintendo had with the Wii is no longer there and was short-lived.



supernihilist on 27 January 2014
Figgycal said:
supernihilist said:
Figgycal said:
supernihilist said:
Figgycal said:
supernihilist said:

Wii was a fad yet it sold more games than Vita by a land side this year.
Wii is still selling strong in SW deparment and still sells HW. He beat N64 and GC on the HW leg deparment.
HOW IN THE HELL IS THAT A FAD?!?!?!?
are motion controls a fad? thats another story....

 

i agree about WiiU though

Look at Nintendo's numbers since the NES:

62 mil for NES

49 mil for SNES

32.9 mil for N64

22 mil for Gamecube

100 mil for Wii

18 mil for Wii U...

There's a clear spike that defies pretty much all logic; followed by a huge dropoff for the Wii and it's successor. That's pretty indicative of a fad. The fact that it's still selling software made for the casual audience is because of its 100 mil+ stong install base of a mostly casual audience.


Sony went from 160M consoles to 90M with the PS3. i guess that spike that is comparable to GC to Wii proves PS3 is a fad too.LOL.NO. It sold 100M because it was a great product very well marketed period.

You just made up the 18M number for WiiU. And its a pretty bad prediction by the way, your not going to make it.

Wii is still selling quite a lot of SW because is not a fad. Thats a real indicative.

@bold: Too high?

Sony's audience was split between PS3 and 360 (a completely different demographic from Nintendo's audience). PlayStations big drop-off was compensated by Xbox's spike in sales: Xbox One went from 24 mil sold to about 85 mil lifetime for the 360. The Wii's dropoff is compensated by what? It isn't Wii U sales. The novelty of the Wii wore off and people moved on, while the PS3 and 360 and their successors are still selling very well.

I added an edit to the post you quoted btw: "Notice how in the same year that the Wii had a 31% drop in sales- the PS3 and 360 were actually up yoy..." (Correction the PS3 was actually down 4% that year, but up the next).

Fact is PS2 to PS3 drop is similar in userbase to Wii  to WiiU, fact is WiiU is a lot more expensive that Wii ever was, fact is you are making up the WiiU LTD number.

Everything elso is just low-tier conjecture to fit your agenda.

I am making up the Wii U's lifetime as a prediction of how the trend of Nintendo's home console sales were going prior to Wii.

As far as price goes... that remains to be seen. Maybe if the Wii U was $199; more people would buy it. But the audience and novelty Nintendo had with the Wii is no longer there and short-lived.


Really? How come Wii audience is not there when the best selling games on the platform are NSMBU, NintendoLand and WiiFItU?



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BeElite on 27 January 2014

Dudes right on everything. People don't want the wiiu, ninty did do a shit job marketing it. Its not the job of retailers to market products. Shit bestbuy had $220 and $250 wiiu bundles here, that's how desperate they were to rid them self's of stock. Wii was a fad and its generally accepted as such, get over it accept it its reality. Why cant people just accept that ? what's so wrong with accepting the truth of the product or stating it, mainstream picked it up like one sold like it and became irrelevant as one.



Soleron on 27 January 2014
aryu said:
softcoregamer82 said:
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Wii Sports was bundled like crazy on almost every single Wii. 

It wasn't bundled at all in Japan and still had a ~1/3 lifetime attach ratio.

Even if you subtract Wii Sports and Wii Play, it still sold amazing amounts of software. Most PS3s and 360s sold also had a bundled game, don't forget that.



Corvo on 27 January 2014
BeElite said:
Dudes right on everything. People don't want the wiiu, ninty did do a shit job marketing it. Its not the job of retailers to market products. Shit bestbuy had $220 and $250 wiiu bundles here, that's how desperate they were to rid them self's of stock. Wii was a fad and its generally accepted as such, get over it accept it its reality. Why cant people just accept that ? what's so wrong with accepting the truth of the product or stating it, mainstream picked it up like one sold like it and became irrelevant as one.

 

From VGC data, Wii still selling and sold extremally well on 5 years. Fad is ''a thing that becomes very popular in a short amount of time, and then is forgotten at about the same speed.'' I dont think 5 years is a fad... Also why can't you accept that the Wii outsold hard the ps3 and 360? People just cant go on that Nintendo was the winner of last gen... Back in some years ago, comparing ps2 to ps3 shows that ps3 was a fad too... No one wrote bash articles/comments calling it a fad as long I rembember....

 



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Figgycal on 27 January 2014
supernihilist said:
Figgycal said:
supernihilist said:
Figgycal said:
supernihilist said:
Figgycal said:
supernihilist said:

Wii was a fad yet it sold more games than Vita by a land side this year.
Wii is still selling strong in SW deparment and still sells HW. He beat N64 and GC on the HW leg deparment.
HOW IN THE HELL IS THAT A FAD?!?!?!?
are motion controls a fad? thats another story....

 

i agree about WiiU though

Look at Nintendo's numbers since the NES:

62 mil for NES

49 mil for SNES

32.9 mil for N64

22 mil for Gamecube

100 mil for Wii

18 mil for Wii U...

There's a clear spike that defies pretty much all logic; followed by a huge dropoff for the Wii and it's successor. That's pretty indicative of a fad. The fact that it's still selling software made for the casual audience is because of its 100 mil+ stong install base of a mostly casual audience.


Sony went from 160M consoles to 90M with the PS3. i guess that spike that is comparable to GC to Wii proves PS3 is a fad too.LOL.NO. It sold 100M because it was a great product very well marketed period.

You just made up the 18M number for WiiU. And its a pretty bad prediction by the way, your not going to make it.

Wii is still selling quite a lot of SW because is not a fad. Thats a real indicative.

@bold: Too high?

Sony's audience was split between PS3 and 360 (a completely different demographic from Nintendo's audience). PlayStations big drop-off was compensated by Xbox's spike in sales: Xbox One went from 24 mil sold to about 85 mil lifetime for the 360. The Wii's dropoff is compensated by what? It isn't Wii U sales. The novelty of the Wii wore off and people moved on, while the PS3 and 360 and their successors are still selling very well.

I added an edit to the post you quoted btw: "Notice how in the same year that the Wii had a 31% drop in sales- the PS3 and 360 were actually up yoy..." (Correction the PS3 was actually down 4% that year, but up the next).

Fact is PS2 to PS3 drop is similar in userbase to Wii  to WiiU, fact is WiiU is a lot more expensive that Wii ever was, fact is you are making up the WiiU LTD number.

Everything elso is just low-tier conjecture to fit your agenda.

I am making up the Wii U's lifetime as a prediction of how the trend of Nintendo's home console sales were going prior to Wii.

As far as price goes... that remains to be seen. Maybe if the Wii U was $199; more people would buy it. But the audience and novelty Nintendo had with the Wii is no longer there and short-lived.


Really? How come Wii audience is not there when the best selling games on the platform are NSMBU, NintendoLand and WiiFItU?

I'm completely open to being proven wrong. I haven't seen sales numbers for Wii Fit U, but if it really is one of the top selling games for the Wii U - then a case could be made.



supernihilist on 27 January 2014
Figgycal said:
supernihilist said:
Figgycal said:
supernihilist said:
Figgycal said:
supernihilist said:
Figgycal said:
supernihilist said:

Wii was a fad yet it sold more games than Vita by a land side this year.
Wii is still selling strong in SW deparment and still sells HW. He beat N64 and GC on the HW leg deparment.
HOW IN THE HELL IS THAT A FAD?!?!?!?
are motion controls a fad? thats another story....

 

i agree about WiiU though

Look at Nintendo's numbers since the NES:

62 mil for NES

49 mil for SNES

32.9 mil for N64

22 mil for Gamecube

100 mil for Wii

18 mil for Wii U...

There's a clear spike that defies pretty much all logic; followed by a huge dropoff for the Wii and it's successor. That's pretty indicative of a fad. The fact that it's still selling software made for the casual audience is because of its 100 mil+ stong install base of a mostly casual audience.


Sony went from 160M consoles to 90M with the PS3. i guess that spike that is comparable to GC to Wii proves PS3 is a fad too.LOL.NO. It sold 100M because it was a great product very well marketed period.

You just made up the 18M number for WiiU. And its a pretty bad prediction by the way, your not going to make it.

Wii is still selling quite a lot of SW because is not a fad. Thats a real indicative.

@bold: Too high?

Sony's audience was split between PS3 and 360 (a completely different demographic from Nintendo's audience). PlayStations big drop-off was compensated by Xbox's spike in sales: Xbox One went from 24 mil sold to about 85 mil lifetime for the 360. The Wii's dropoff is compensated by what? It isn't Wii U sales. The novelty of the Wii wore off and people moved on, while the PS3 and 360 and their successors are still selling very well.

I added an edit to the post you quoted btw: "Notice how in the same year that the Wii had a 31% drop in sales- the PS3 and 360 were actually up yoy..." (Correction the PS3 was actually down 4% that year, but up the next).

Fact is PS2 to PS3 drop is similar in userbase to Wii  to WiiU, fact is WiiU is a lot more expensive that Wii ever was, fact is you are making up the WiiU LTD number.

Everything elso is just low-tier conjecture to fit your agenda.

I am making up the Wii U's lifetime as a prediction of how the trend of Nintendo's home console sales were going prior to Wii.

As far as price goes... that remains to be seen. Maybe if the Wii U was $199; more people would buy it. But the audience and novelty Nintendo had with the Wii is no longer there and short-lived.


Really? How come Wii audience is not there when the best selling games on the platform are NSMBU, NintendoLand and WiiPartyU?

I'm completely open to being proven wrong. I haven't seen sales numbers for Wii Fit U, but if it really is one of the top selling games for the Wii U - then a case could be made.