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EricFabian said:

ok man. You already know N64 >>>>> PS1 (but media capacity of  PS1 is superior)

Did you really read my post?? Look at what I said: "And here is my conclusion: you didn't convince me at all. Actually now I am more sure that 5th and 6th gen were generations without big hardware differences.".

 

EricFabian said:

now let's talk about PS2 and GCN

There isn't 1 single parameter in which GC is at least 5 times more powerful, so you just confirmed that there are no big differences. I'm actually repeating myself. You need to read my posts.

 

EricFabian said:

You said GT4 is the best looking game on 6th gen. Is ok. Your opinion. I still think Mario Galaxy 2 is one of best looking game of all time and it was on Wii.

We are talking about graphic level, not design. You may find Mario Galaxy 2 a game with beautiful scenarios but that's not the focus of this conversation.

 

EricFabian said:

I can't find any decent videos, but Splinter Cell on Gamecube is better than any PS2 game.

I know, it's hard to find good videos of the 6th gen (and backwards). Anyway, try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv7VDojKQaM

I believe The Getaway Black Monday isn't much different from it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4PpuhGuTBY

But GT4 is undoubtly superior to both:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRBeta_IIb0

And what do you think about my images? I tried to find the best images of each game and Gran Turismo seems the best.

Want to do the same thing about the 7th gen? I assure you the Wii won't come even close to X360 or PS3.

I think that's what's being hard for you to accept...that Nintendo did in the 7th and 8th gen what no other company did so far (a purposeful generational downgrade).

 

EricFabian said:

And no I don't refure to adress softwere analysis. We all know PS2 is the King of Games (and I'm talking about all time).

Again, we're only talking about graphics. And yes you refused to proactively address the software analysis (you haven't did it so far) and even reactively (you haven't commented my images).

 

EricFabian said:

Wii U is 8th. Nintendo tried to back to "power racing". You can say, and I will follow, that is weaker than PS4/X1, but if you compare to Wii the leap is bigger than PS3/PS4.

Return to the power racing? How? Launching a 7th gen piece of hardware in 2012? What is their race then? 2 or 3 years competing with the old PS3 and X360? Or 1 year without PS4 and XOne? If that's the case, their race if over. PS4 and XOne are totally smashing Wii U in graphics and that is clear on hardware, software and 3rd party support (exactly like what happened with the Wii).

Whether the difference now is bigger or smaller than with the Wii, I don't know, it's probably smaller but not significantly. What I do know is that Nintendo is once again 1 generation behind the competition. That's not the way for a billionaire multi-national company to behave. The WiiU's failure is the price they're paying for such greed. I trully hope that they learn with this so that next time they release a real 9th gen console to please the fans. They can't make omelets withouth breaking eggs. That's the lesson they need to take.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

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If Sony spend money on advertising, it is their merit and they should be praised for that. That is no other way around that. It is like the dude that goes to parties and try to socialize, how can you blame him if he gets more girls when you spend your time locked in your room?



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Zod95 said:
EricFabian said:

ok man. You already know N64 >>>>> PS1 (but media capacity of  PS1 is superior)

Did you really read my post?? Look at what I said: "And here is my conclusion: you didn't convince me at all. Actually now I am more sure that 5th and 6th gen were generations without big hardware differences.".

 

EricFabian said:

now let's talk about PS2 and GCN

There isn't 1 single parameter in which GC is at least 5 times more powerful, so you just confirmed that there are no big differences. I'm actually repeating myself. You need to read my posts.

 

EricFabian said:

You said GT4 is the best looking game on 6th gen. Is ok. Your opinion. I still think Mario Galaxy 2 is one of best looking game of all time and it was on Wii.

We are talking about graphic level, not design. You may find Mario Galaxy 2 a game with beautiful scenarios but that's not the focus of this conversation.

 

EricFabian said:

I can't find any decent videos, but Splinter Cell on Gamecube is better than any PS2 game.

I know, it's hard to find good videos of the 6th gen (and backwards). Anyway, try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv7VDojKQaM

I believe The Getaway Black Monday isn't much different from it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4PpuhGuTBY

But GT4 is undoubtly superior to both:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRBeta_IIb0

And what do you think about my images? I tried to find the best images of each game and Gran Turismo seems the best.

Want to do the same thing about the 7th gen? I assure you the Wii won't come even close to X360 or PS3.

I think that's what's being hard for you to accept...that Nintendo did in the 7th and 8th gen what no other company did so far (a purposeful generational downgrade).

 

EricFabian said:

And no I don't refure to adress softwere analysis. We all know PS2 is the King of Games (and I'm talking about all time).

Again, we're only talking about graphics. And yes you refused to proactively address the software analysis (you haven't did it so far) and even reactively (you haven't commented my images).

 

EricFabian said:

Wii U is 8th. Nintendo tried to back to "power racing". You can say, and I will follow, that is weaker than PS4/X1, but if you compare to Wii the leap is bigger than PS3/PS4.

Return to the power racing? How? Launching a 7th gen piece of hardware in 2012? What is their race then? 2 or 3 years competing with the old PS3 and X360? Or 1 year without PS4 and XOne? If that's the case, their race if over. PS4 and XOne are totally smashing Wii U in graphics and that is clear on hardware, software and 3rd party support (exactly like what happened with the Wii).

Whether the difference now is bigger or smaller than with the Wii, I don't know, it's probably smaller but not significantly. What I do know is that Nintendo is once again 1 generation behind the competition. That's not the way for a billionaire multi-national company to behave. The WiiU's failure is the price they're paying for such greed. I trully hope that they learn with this so that next time they release a real 9th gen console to please the fans. They can't make omelets withouth breaking eggs. That's the lesson they need to take.




In each scene, the Gamecube version is shown first.



It is well know that during the 5th generation Sony not only tried to get 3rd parties, but also enticed them to not release on Nintendo 64



Well, so basically SCE does some of the marketing job for 3rd party games? Well, that is a merit not a direct strike. We all know Nintendo treated 3rd parties like shit during NES era and even now they make clear that their 1st party is the focus and the 3rd parties are just there to add library.

I believe we all should see this situation of the 3rd parties point of view. Nintendo always was a problem to deal, so it made sense to jump in the PS1 and stop supporting Nintendo. For 3rd parties, it would be better if Nintendo went away or became irrelevant (I'm not saying I want this, its a 3rd party perspective).

In a similar way, when PS2 dominated, 3rd parties got worried. They supported the 360 because they feared a monopoly where SCE would determine all the rules. SCE may be good to deal with, but things can change. So the current situation with a more split market, it's the 3rd parties completee dream where console campanies have to fight for them.

Besides the second paragraph, Nintendo still can fix it. They just don't seem much inclined to. MS and Sony went to 3rd party publishers and asked what they wanted on their new consoles (that's why they are so similar). Nintendo just throwed a box at then and said "Please understand, support it". Nintendo has to fix their attitude and start treating 3rd parties as an important and vital part of their enviroment. People want GTAs, CODs, BFs and so on. When you get a PS4 or One, you can be pretty sure that you will got all of these hot new titles. If you get a Wii U, it's a lottery. COD? Yes. BF? No, and so on. People say that Nintendo gamers don't care about these games. I don't think so. I think Nintendo gamers who cared about these titles are now Sony or MS gamers.



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mysteryman said:

In each scene, the Gamecube version is shown first.

It's not impossible to do a bad job on PS2, specially when it's a port. Same thing applies to Game Cube. See this:



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

Zod95 said:
mysteryman said:

In each scene, the Gamecube version is shown first.

It's not impossible to do a bad job on PS2, specially when it's a port. Same thing applies to Game Cube. See this:


Of course it's not impossible.

It's also not impossible to need to drop features when porting it across.



@OP: LOL. I guess Sony owes us some explanations for earthquakes and solar flares too. And don't get me started on chemtrails!



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Sharu said:

http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=220894

Wow.

 "Dealing with content development risks due to the consecutive failure to launch with high performance the 3DS and the Wii U

- Response to the problem of the inability to secure third party titles caused by SCE (Sony Computer Entertainment) investing heavily in the marketing cost of multiplatform software. 

- Due to the soaring development costs of home consoles making difficult to ensure profitability, we hope to hear an answer on the building of a new business model."

Do you believe it. If yes this means war?

 

 


So.. Should I start blaming Nintendo for the lack of notable games in Vita?



A Japanese analyst for a change! Does he know things about Sony that even Patcher does not?