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lt_dan_27 on 14 January 2014
curl-6 said:
lt_dan_27 said:

I never said that uncharted was the first cinematic game. I said it was the game that made cinematic games as huge as they are today. I also said that uncharted was one of the first. I acknoledge that Gears of war also did new things.  Tell me another exclusive, and I can tell you how it's more impactful than a few mediocre video games that copied it. 

Yes, kinnect is seen as very lame generally speaking. I've never seen anyone with a 360 use their kinnect for more than a few gimmicky things that couldn't be done with a controller just as easily. Kinnect integration with Xbox one has had HUGE backlash against microsoft this year. So good job, more crap about how the wii/wiiU has done hardly anything for gaming. 

Uncharted was not responsible for the move  towards more cinematic games, that trend was already well in motion.

You may not like Kinect, I don't either, but its success is clear; it's sold more than most consoles. If the PS3 had never happened, gaming today wouldn't be very much different, but it would be vastly different if the Wii never happened.


People play their ps3's much more than they play they're wii's. Bluray wouldn't be king. Many new franchises wouldn't be there that are. The only game that did anything significant on the wii that was significant was a platformer, and those have existed since the 90s. All you've really been saying is that the ps3 hasn't done anything because it doesn't. You've been defedning against one franchise this entire time, and there are countless others. Uncharted changed third person shooters no matter how you want to look at it. Just like mario galaxy changed platforming. If you can't acknowledge that, you're blind. 



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zorg1000 on 14 January 2014
lt_dan_27 said:
curl-6 said:
lt_dan_27 said:

I never said that uncharted was the first cinematic game. I said it was the game that made cinematic games as huge as they are today. I also said that uncharted was one of the first. I acknoledge that Gears of war also did new things.  Tell me another exclusive, and I can tell you how it's more impactful than a few mediocre video games that copied it. 

Yes, kinnect is seen as very lame generally speaking. I've never seen anyone with a 360 use their kinnect for more than a few gimmicky things that couldn't be done with a controller just as easily. Kinnect integration with Xbox one has had HUGE backlash against microsoft this year. So good job, more crap about how the wii/wiiU has done hardly anything for gaming. 

Uncharted was not responsible for the move  towards more cinematic games, that trend was already well in motion.

You may not like Kinect, I don't either, but its success is clear; it's sold more than most consoles. If the PS3 had never happened, gaming today wouldn't be very much different, but it would be vastly different if the Wii never happened.


People play their ps3's much more than they play they're wii's. Bluray wouldn't be king. Many new franchises wouldn't be there that are. The only game that did anything significant on the wii that was significant was a platformer, and those have existed since the 90s. All you've really been saying is that the ps3 hasn't done anything because it doesn't. You've been defedning against one franchise this entire time, and there are countless others. Uncharted changed third person shooters no matter how you want to look at it. Just like mario galaxy changed platforming. If you can't acknowledge that, you're blind. 

How did Uncharted change 3rd person shooters? Earlier u said it was the cover system but then went on to admit Gears used it first. What else did it do to change the genre?



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Screamapillar on 14 January 2014
Mythmaker1 said:

"Am I saying the industry wouldn't be a darker, lesser place if Nintendo hadn't gotten into it?"

If Nintendo hadn't "gotten into it", there quite literally wouldn't be a video game industry as we know it.  The industry had crashed in the United States prior to the NES, and Nintendo is what made games popular again.  So... yeah, that's a thing.  Definitely a thing.

"Am I saying that the industry wouldn't be a darker, lesser place if Nintendo went bankrupt tomorrow?"

Mathematically impossible.  A multi-billion dollar company with some of the most popular franchises in entertainment.  Not going bankrupt.  Not even a thing. 





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curl-6 on 14 January 2014
lt_dan_27 said:

People play their ps3's much more than they play they're wii's. Bluray wouldn't be king. Many new franchises wouldn't be there that are. The only game that did anything significant on the wii that was significant was a platformer, and those have existed since the 90s. All you've really been saying is that the ps3 hasn't done anything because it doesn't. You've been defedning against one franchise this entire time, and there are countless others. Uncharted changed third person shooters no matter how you want to look at it. Just like mario galaxy changed platforming. If you can't acknowledge that, you're blind. 

No PS3 game propagated and popularized a whole genre the way Wii Sports and Wii Fit did.

PS3 didn't really do anything the 360 didn't. WIthout it, gaming really wouldn't be much different, as Microsoft would still offer the same kind of cinematic Hollywood-style games.



curl-6 on 15 January 2014
KylieDog said:
curl-6 said:

No PS3 game propagated and popularized a whole genre the way Wii Sports and Wii Fit did.


Yeah there were no sports games or fitness games before the Wii.


There is nothing original about Wii Sports at all, motion controls are someting the Wii did, Wii Sports was a poor version of a hundred sports games before it, looking worse than all of them and having next to no features that they all had.

There's your answer; there were no real motion games before the Wii. Since that is the defining element, they're not just sports games, or fitness games, they are motion games. Before Wii, they weren't.



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curl-6 on 15 January 2014
KylieDog said:
curl-6 said:
KylieDog said:
curl-6 said:

No PS3 game propagated and popularized a whole genre the way Wii Sports and Wii Fit did.


Yeah there were no sports games or fitness games before the Wii.


There is nothing original about Wii Sports at all, motion controls are someting the Wii did, Wii Sports was a poor version of a hundred sports games before it, looking worse than all of them and having next to no features that they all had.

There's your answer; there were no real motion games before the Wii. Since that is the defining element, they're not just sports games, or fitness games, they are motion games. Before Wii, they weren't.

Motion games are not a genre or type of game, motion controls are an input method.  We don't call Mario a 'controller game', it is a platformer, or platform game.  Again, Wii Sports did nothing for the genre.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.



curl-6 on 15 January 2014
KylieDog said:
curl-6 said:
KylieDog said:

Motion games are not a genre or type of game, motion controls are an input method.  We don't call Mario a 'controller game', it is a platformer, or platform game.  Again, Wii Sports did nothing for the genre.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.


Admitting you were wrong then. 

Nope, just not going to spend the next dozen hours bouncing a ball off the brick wall of your denial. Peace.



PSwii60 on 15 January 2014

Wii U and Nintendo Networks proves how clueless they are as a company. No, they are not important at all.



Mythmaker1 on 15 January 2014
Screamapillar said:
Mythmaker1 said:

"Am I saying the industry wouldn't be a darker, lesser place if Nintendo hadn't gotten into it?"

If Nintendo hadn't "gotten into it", there quite literally wouldn't be a video game industry as we know it.  The industry had crashed in the United States prior to the NES, and Nintendo is what made games popular again.  So... yeah, that's a thing.  Definitely a thing.

"Am I saying that the industry wouldn't be a darker, lesser place if Nintendo went bankrupt tomorrow?"

Mathematically impossible.  A multi-billion dollar company with some of the most popular franchises in entertainment.  Not going bankrupt.  Not even a thing. 



These facts are not unknown to me.

And the second sentence was hyperbole. I disagree with the idea that it's "mathematically impossible," but Nintendo is obviously not going out of business tomorrow.



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lucidium on 15 January 2014
curl-6 said:

No PS3 game propagated and popularized a whole genre the way Wii Sports and Wii Fit did.

No PS3 game was bundled with every single console like Wii Sports, either.

It stands to reason that more people would play the game if it came free with the console, but that's like giving a jar of marmite/vegimite away free with jars of nutella then saying Ferrero populrized marmite/vegimite.

To be accurate, Nintendo made sports games accessible to a wider audience, an aucience that wouldnt have otherwise tried it, the real question is, how popular would the game have been, had it been sold at full retail and not bundled for free.