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WagnerPaiva on 12 January 2014
TornadoCreator said:

Why? Why do people need to stop putting Nintendo on a pedastal. They've earned their pedastal.

I honestly have a bit of a problem with your assertion because I genuinely do think Nintendo is vital for this hobby to remain the hobby I love. Will the industry survive without Nintendo? Sure. Will I still give a shit? Probably not.


This! I agree.



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Michael-5 on 12 January 2014
BeElite said:
Michael-5 said:

2. Nintendo is by far, the most innovative.

 


Honetly i never know wtf people mean when they say that, and iv gamed with Ninty since nes era.

Who introduced Analog sticks? Nintendo (N64) - This is now on every controller

Who introduced Motion Play? Nintendo (Wii) - This is a center peice for the XBO now

Who introduced handheld to console play? Nintendo (N64 & GCN) - Now Sony bundles PS4's with Vita's

Who introduced shoulder buttons? Nintendo (SNES)

Who introduced dual screen gaming? Nintendo (DS)

Who introduced 3D gaming without glasses? Nintendo (3DS)

list goes on, every gen Nintendo tries something new. Last gen it was a huge success for them (Wii/DS) this gen it bit them in the ass a bit (WiiU)

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What has Sony and MS done? Microsoft made XBL and achievements. Sony made...I don't even know.



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Mythmaker1 on 12 January 2014
RolStoppable said:
Mythmaker1 said:

Frankly, I'm more concerned about the opinions of those who did participate than those who take potshots from the sidelines. The fact you resorted first to public mockerytells me pretty much everything I need to know about the worth of your input.

So, after the discussion has run its course, how do you feel about Nintendo? Or more specifically, if you had to name one video game company that deserves to be put on a pedestal, which one would it be?


My opinion afterward mostly resembles what it was before. I have a newfound respect for their cultural significance, but in the end they are a largely successful company that produces largely fantastic games. I don't think they define the video game industry in the same way other companies can be said to define their own, but they are the most visible presence in that community.

So while I won't deny they've had a strong impact on gaming then and now, I'm not comfortable with the idea of putting them, or any company in the industry, on a pedestal.



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Lyrikalstylez on 12 January 2014

I love Nintendo's games but I wouldn't mind playing them on a ps4 or Xbox one



seiya19 on 12 January 2014
lucidium said:

It was dubbed "Ultimate edition" (note, not ultima like the more widely known version) released on GOG that was later taken down and replaced with the Ultima edition, essentially it was just a shodilly packed psx emulator with plugins exe-packed and put through a nasty installer to give the effect of an enhanced PC version (gpu plugins upscaled the video output), it was available on torrent sites for a while, may still be, probably originated from china as a bootleg, but none the less as it was briefly available commercially it, sadly, counts.

I see... Well, that does make sense. Thanks for the info. ^_^



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boogie2988 on 12 January 2014

nintendo should just take the hand held market and run with it and release a few new ds's



Mythmaker1 on 12 January 2014
Michael-5 said:
BeElite said:
Michael-5 said:

2. Nintendo is by far, the most innovative.

 


Honetly i never know wtf people mean when they say that, and iv gamed with Ninty since nes era.

Who introduced Analog sticks? Nintendo (N64) - This is now on every controller

Who introduced Motion Play? Nintendo (Wii) - This is a center peice for the XBO now

Who introduced handheld to console play? Nintendo (N64 & GCN) - Now Sony bundles PS4's with Vita's

Who introduced shoulder buttons? Nintendo (SNES)

Who introduced dual screen gaming? Nintendo (DS)

Who introduced 3D gaming without glasses? Nintendo (3DS)

list goes on, every gen Nintendo tries something new. Last gen it was a huge success for them (Wii/DS) this gen it bit them in the ass a bit (WiiU)

----

What has Sony and MS done? Microsoft made XBL and achievements. Sony made...I don't even know.

I'm pretty sure not all of those are true. And while their list of achievements is impressive, your list ignores a lot of innovation, on both the hardware and software side.



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lucidium on 12 January 2014

I'm really happy for you, and imma let you finish.. but..

Michael-5 said:

Who introduced Analog sticks? Radofin, in 1976 then improved upon using potentiometers by atari in 1982 for the Atari 5200

Who introduced Motion Play? Sega Activator, 1993

Who introduced handheld to console play? Nintendo (You were right on this one, but wrong on the platform, the first itteration was the Super Gameboy 2, that allowed a person playing a gameboy game through the adapter on their SNES to use a gameboy link cable to play against someone playing on their gameboy.)

Who introduced shoulder buttons? Atari (Paddle controller says hi)

Who introduced dual screen gaming? Nintendo (Again right on Nintendo, wrong on platform, it was the Game and Watch)

Who introduced 3D gaming without glasses? Sharp (They briefly sold two models of laptop in 2001 that had parallax barrier LCD panels, i vividly recall playing quake 1 on it way back when they were being shown at a trade show.)

What has Sony and MS done? Microsoft made XBL and achievements. Sony made...I don't even know.

Since you don't know let me help you.

Microsoft:
Ethernet as standard on a console. (xbox)
HDD as standard on a console. (xbox)
First console with external replacable hard disk (xbox 360)
First coherant network ID system

Sony:
First commecial use of camera image processing to function as a method of input
First console with SPDIF port for audio (ps2)
First console with HDMI out (PS3)
First console with integrated blu-ray
First console to allow game patching (PS2 network adapter based games required a hard disk and updates/patches for said games were installed there)

There are more i'm sure, just as there are for Nintendo but you get the point.


Mythmaker1 on 12 January 2014
RolStoppable said:
Mythmaker1 said:

My opinion afterward mostly resembles what it was before. I have a newfound respect for their cultural significance, but in the end they are a largely successful company that produces largely fantastic games. I don't think they define the video game industry in the same way other companies can be said to define their own, but they are the most visible presence in that community.

So while I won't deny they've had a strong impact on gaming then and now, I'm not comfortable with the idea of putting them, or any company in the industry, on a pedestal.

Fair enough, but are you still opposed to others putting them on a pedestal?

By the way, I've looked up the definition of the phrase and aside from the definition I am familiar with ("better than others"), there was also one that implied perfection. Makes me wonder if everyone in this thread is on the same page.

There does seem to be some disgreement among definitions. The way I've always understand the terms (and which I see most often used) is that you consider something to be better than others, with the implication that it is beyond reproach or criticism. Basically, to idolize it.

With that definition in mind, I don't think people should put them on a pedestal.



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MikeRox on 12 January 2014
Mythmaker1 said:
Michael-5 said:
BeElite said:
Michael-5 said:

2. Nintendo is by far, the most innovative.

 


Honetly i never know wtf people mean when they say that, and iv gamed with Ninty since nes era.

Who introduced Analog sticks? Nintendo (N64) - This is now on every controller

Who introduced Motion Play? Nintendo (Wii) - This is a center peice for the XBO now

Who introduced handheld to console play? Nintendo (N64 & GCN) - Now Sony bundles PS4's with Vita's

Who introduced shoulder buttons? Nintendo (SNES)

Who introduced dual screen gaming? Nintendo (DS)

Who introduced 3D gaming without glasses? Nintendo (3DS)

list goes on, every gen Nintendo tries something new. Last gen it was a huge success for them (Wii/DS) this gen it bit them in the ass a bit (WiiU)

----

What has Sony and MS done? Microsoft made XBL and achievements. Sony made...I don't even know.

I'm pretty sure not all of those are true. And while their list of achievements is impressive, your list ignores a lot of innovation, on both the hardware and software side.


Nintendo created the D-Pad. He missed that one. Though I'm glad their patent on it finally expired. And yes, they were the first company to use shoulder buttons on control pads.

As for analogue sticks... well they were first to market, by about a month. I hardly think SEGA cobbled it together purely based on Nintendo's unveiling especially as they had analogue controlled games in the mid 80s. Sony also released a dual analogue flight stick for the PS1 prior to the N64 pad coming out. The technology was happening with or without the N64, it was a logical step for 3D gaming. It's just that the N64 came to market later than the PS1 and Saturn and so the implementation was ready for launch.

There were motion controlled products before the Wii. PS2 had one, and Sega had also experimented with motion controls in the late 90s (a prototype "wand" was developed for a NiGHTS controller), even if they didn't bring it to market fully. I'm sure there were 3rd party motion controllers for the PS1 as well. They certainly didn't take off until Wii Sports showed the world a viable way for them to be used though.

Dual screen gaming... certainly not a hardware revolution in line with other listed things also, Sega Dreamcast had dual screen gaming via the VMU, though the screen was very limited as to what it  could display. So yeah, SEGA can have that one, not Nintendo.

3D gaming without glasses? that's something that's been so revolutionary even Nintendo are now back tracking from it. I understand they now also have to pay a lot of money in royalties due to it being someone else's technology their screen violated (yes I'm aware Sharp provided the displays).

For the record, I love Nintendo and certainly wouldn't want to see them go anywhere. But it's amazing how much they are now being credited for when actually the technology would have been happening and used anyway and other long fallen rivals have also contributed just as much to gaming which now by default seems to be attributed to Nintendo on the back of them being the company that survived.

edit: See a post higher up has even earlier examples.



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