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Pristine20 on 11 January 2014
osed125 said:
Pristine20 said:
osed125 said:

Boring is subjective yes, but smaller isn't. If my scenario becomes true, that would mean less games a year, and a flood of trash indie games in the like of Candy Crush, Farmville and stuff like that. 

Also less diversity is not subjective, imagine only having drama and comedies on movies and TV, well imagine the same but with games genres, meaning only Sports and FPS games for example (I'm talking about AAA stuff here.)

I'll give you diversity on "AAA" titleseven though I'm not 100% sold that that would be the case absolutely. I mean FF still far outsells any JRPG but for some reason, they still make Tales games (Is tales not AAA)? I guess they're not bleeding cash enough? AAA isn't everything you know...and what's AAA is kind of difficult to determine sometimes. Is the AAA moniker given to big budget games or games over 90% on metacritic? That definition is crucial for me to understand your prediction.

As far as I know, AAA games are the ones that cost a sh*t ton of money to make. Stuff like critic scores, game sales don't matter here. Maybe the correct term is "blockbuster games", but I honestly don't know.

Japanese companies are still one of the few who still make middle end software, like Nintendo, Namco and Atlus for example. Sad that a lot of them seem to be moving towards mobile. 

Okay if that's what "AAA" means, I definitely agree with you. Just remember that "AAA" games have never really been diverse in any generation in that case. They've always been the "safe" games. Yeah Iagree  that the Japanese in general are too focused on "mobile/handheld" but I guess that's a significant portion of their market



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"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

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Aerys on 11 January 2014
Pristine20 said:
curl-6 said:
Mythmaker1 said:
curl-6 said:
Mythmaker1 said:

Fair enough. So what is it about Nintendo games, in particular, that is bestest? :P

Prioritization of fun, cleverly designed, and creative gameplay above all else.


They have that in spades, for the most part.

The point I diverge on is the prioritization of fun. I crave a fun game from time to time, but I often look for the maturity and depth I mentioned earlier, and not as many of their games have as much of that.

For me, everything takes a back seat to fun. Maturity in games is like CGI in movies; it can be a good addition, but also a drawback, and isn't always necessary.

"Fun" is a term that has really been hijacked by the ninty crowd.  Fun = enjoyment so pretty much any game is fun noone would be playing it. As such, all games that have seen a release are probably fun to someone. It's not a ninty-exclusive like some of you seem to infer.


Pretty much this, this is why Sony is at least as much important than Nintendo, they have more variety, mature games, creative( Puppeter is surely the most creative game of the year) and fun games



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Wagram on 11 January 2014

# 2 and 3 are laughable at best.



Pristine20 on 11 January 2014
ninetailschris said:
Super_Boom said:
ioi said:

I find the whole point and angle of this thread a little confusing.

Firstly, Nintendo makes more money than the gaming divisions of Sony and Microsoft combined so they won't be going anywhere any time soon.

Secondly, as others have said, no gaming company or indeed gaming itself is THAT important and everything can and usually will be replaced eventually. In a hypothetical situation in which Nintendo went bankrupt (which will never happen on their cash reserves alone) then all of their employees would obviously find work elsewhere so their games would live on in other forms.

If you are trying to somehow objectively quantify the contribution and importance of gaming companies in the industry then it is very hard not to place Nintendo as number one by any metric that you choose. They have sold far more games than any other publisher, won more awards, dominate every "best ever" poll and are more financially successful than all other publishers by a long long way. Those are hard facts.

There aren't any other forms of entertainment I can think of that have been dominated so much by one company for so long. On that basis, I would personally say yes, they are THAT important.

Not to piggyback or anything, but this pretty much summed up my thoughts on the subject. Especially your 2nd point. I don't think any of the big gaming publishers are absolutely irreplacable, but that doesn't mean Nintendo isn't one of the most prominent.

Also, reading some of the comments here, there seems to be a lot of stereotyping the entire fandom by a vocal minority. Can we...not do that? Every fandom's got these, I don't know why only Nintendo warrants these types of comments.

Just wanted to clap that used stereotype instead of generalize. I hate when people misuse words. 

On-topic if third party could get there games on apple products or any PC, why would they need Sony or Microsoft? Both would die a fast death. Ironically clouding gaming in 2-3 will be able to do this. On-live isn't even comparable to stuff were going to see than. I'm in college going for bs in cyber security and some of stuff were learning about cloud gaming/in general makes consoles look like dinosaurs.

What's stopping 3rd parties from doing that now? Won't it mean less royalty fees anyway?



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Pristine20 on 11 January 2014
Aerys said:
Pristine20 said:
curl-6 said:
Mythmaker1 said:
curl-6 said:
Mythmaker1 said:

Fair enough. So what is it about Nintendo games, in particular, that is bestest? :P

Prioritization of fun, cleverly designed, and creative gameplay above all else.


They have that in spades, for the most part.

The point I diverge on is the prioritization of fun. I crave a fun game from time to time, but I often look for the maturity and depth I mentioned earlier, and not as many of their games have as much of that.

For me, everything takes a back seat to fun. Maturity in games is like CGI in movies; it can be a good addition, but also a drawback, and isn't always necessary.

"Fun" is a term that has really been hijacked by the ninty crowd.  Fun = enjoyment so pretty much any game is fun noone would be playing it. As such, all games that have seen a release are probably fun to someone. It's not a ninty-exclusive like some of you seem to infer.


Pretty much this, this is why Sony is at least as much important than Nintendo, they have more variety, mature games, creative( Puppeter is surely the most creative game of the year) and fun games


I would disagree that Sony is as important as nintendo. No other VG company has as many die hard fans as nintendo...that one is for sure.



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

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curl-6 on 11 January 2014
Pristine20 said:
curl-6 said:

For me, everything takes a back seat to fun. Maturity in games is like CGI in movies; it can be a good addition, but also a drawback, and isn't always necessary.

"Fun" is a term that has really been hijacked by the ninty crowd.  Fun = enjoyment so pretty much any game is fun noone would be playing it. As such, all games that have seen a release are probably fun to someone. It's not a ninty-exclusive like some of you seem to infer.

But no other developer makes games that are as much fun for me as Nintendo's.



Proxy-Pie on 11 January 2014

Nintendo isn't indispensable for the industry, but if 1 of the big 3 were to perish, Nintendo's bankruptcy would cause the strongest effect.
Nintendo isn't the only one who innovates, but out of the big 3, they innovate the most.
the term"Best games" is subjective, but lets just say, there's a reason why it's mostly Nintendo games that are the highest rated in each gen (barring the 7th gen, but who'd put GTA IV over Super Mario Galaxy?)



Ryudo on 11 January 2014

lol wrong



Proxy-Pie on 11 January 2014
Pristine20 said:
Aerys said:
Pristine20 said:
curl-6 said:
Mythmaker1 said:
curl-6 said:
Mythmaker1 said:

Fair enough. So what is it about Nintendo games, in particular, that is bestest? :P

Prioritization of fun, cleverly designed, and creative gameplay above all else.


They have that in spades, for the most part.

The point I diverge on is the prioritization of fun. I crave a fun game from time to time, but I often look for the maturity and depth I mentioned earlier, and not as many of their games have as much of that.

For me, everything takes a back seat to fun. Maturity in games is like CGI in movies; it can be a good addition, but also a drawback, and isn't always necessary.

"Fun" is a term that has really been hijacked by the ninty crowd.  Fun = enjoyment so pretty much any game is fun noone would be playing it. As such, all games that have seen a release are probably fun to someone. It's not a ninty-exclusive like some of you seem to infer.


Pretty much this, this is why Sony is at least as much important than Nintendo, they have more variety, mature games, creative( Puppeter is surely the most creative game of the year) and fun games


I would disagree that Sony is as important as nintendo. No other VG company has as many die hard fans as nintendo...that one is for sure.

I wouldn't be so sure about that one.



Anfebious on 11 January 2014
MohammadBadir said:
Nintendo isn't indispensable for the industry, but if 1 of the big 3 were to perish, Nintendo's bankruptcy would cause the strongest effect.
Nintendo isn't the only one who innovates, but out of the big 3, they innovate the most.
the term"Best games" is subjective, but lets just say, there's a reason why it's mostly Nintendo games that are the highest rated in each gen (barring the 7th gen, but who'd put GTA IV over Super Mario Galaxy?)


Actually... Super Mario Galaxy is the highest rated game of all time on Gamerankings if that helps your argument.



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