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Should the two countries become one?

Yes - Canada should join the United States 52 17.39%
 
Yes - through an EU-styled agreement 42 14.05%
 
Yes - through some other means 3 1.00%
 
No - though I support fur... 109 36.45%
 
No - the two countries ar... 68 22.74%
 
Other/Not Sure 17 5.69%
 
Total:291

For the record im Canadian and have alot of American friends and love the U.S.A.
I say no though cause i don't want the NSA spying on me ;)



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Canada is a Commonwealth nation. They couldn't become a part of the US if they wanted to.

But there isn't any advantage to either nation to create a new union. There may be a few consumer benefits, but outside of that very little else.

Not to mention the confusion is someone yelled "No Homo!" in a Meijer's.



Viltgance said:
For the record im Canadian and have alot of American friends and love the U.S.A.
I say no though cause i don't want the NSA spying on me ;)

Funny you should say that...

The US and Canada share a facility housed in Canada used to monitor phone calls.  Since the 1960's, all phone calls get routed through this facility.

The facility is in Canada to circumvent US law prohibiting US agents from spying on US citizens.   But there's nothing preventing Canadian agents from spying on US citizens for the US government or agents of the US outside of the US from intercepting phone calls to or from US citizens.



Adinnieken said:
Canada is a Commonwealth nation. They couldn't become a part of the US if they wanted to.

But there isn't any advantage to either nation to create a new union. There may be a few consumer benefits, but outside of that very little else.

Not to mention the confusion is someone yelled "No Homo!" in a Meijer's.


We could if there was enough support for it. We can leave the Commonwealth, ditch the Queen (the Liberals even suggested it) and become a Republic at any time.  I don't see it happening,  but it's very possible.

I'm confused if you think we're confused about your last sentence.



Speaking as a Canadian, I am 100% opposed to any union or annexation into the US. While on the surface the two countries may seem similar there are very profound differences. For one, not all of Canada is English speaking, we have two official languages French and English, which would not likely be carried forward into any sort of union of Canada and the US. This would further exacerbate Quebec tensions and lead to further independence talk. While some parts of Canada would blend in rather seamlessly, such as the prairie provinces, other regions would not find the transition easy, or to their liking. Ontario was settled by United Empire Loyalists the disaffected and displaced of the American revolution, and tends toward anti-Americanism. The east coast provinces have more in common with UK culture than american culture.

Americans would also not likely welcome 10 new states that in american political terms would give the Democrats a virtual lock on the senate and shift the balance of power in the house perpetually in the democrats favour (80% of Canadians would vote democrat in a two party system if they had to choose when asked in a survey). Gay marriage is legal here and has been for a decade, prostitution laws were recently struck down, and women have the right to go topless. The current conservative government is in their last term in office following which decriminalization of marijuana is almost assured as well as many other liberal reforms that would unnerve much of the US. Then take into account universal health care, well funded public schools, gun control, and other differences that most of the US is not prepared to deal with.

The US is great, I have travelled and worked in most of the continental US over the years. A very friendly people almost without exception... but I think we are better off as friends and neighbours. Do you really want a country with an officially socialist official opposition party (the party that got the second most votes in the last election, yes I am a member of that party) as part of your political milieux?



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Leadified said:
Adinnieken said:
Canada is a Commonwealth nation. They couldn't become a part of the US if they wanted to.

But there isn't any advantage to either nation to create a new union. There may be a few consumer benefits, but outside of that very little else.

Not to mention the confusion is someone yelled "No Homo!" in a Meijer's.


We could if there was enough support for it. We can leave the Commonwealth, ditch the Queen (the Liberals even suggested it) and become a Republic at any time.  I don't see it happening,  but it's very possible.

I'm confused if you think we're confused about your last sentence.

Meijer is a supermarket.  Homo in Canada is short for homogonized whole milk.  A Canadian yelling "No Homo" would suggest that Meijer's would be out of whole milk.  Not an uncommon thing when they run 2 for one specials.  Meanwhile "No Homo" in urban vernacular means "I'm not gay" or "nothing gay suggested/implied by this."

Though it come out more like "There's no Homo, don't cha know?" if a Canadian said it. 



I like things the way they are. Canada is America's hockey playing little brother.



Adinnieken said:
Viltgance said:
For the record im Canadian and have alot of American friends and love the U.S.A.
I say no though cause i don't want the NSA spying on me ;)

Funny you should say that...

The US and Canada share a facility housed in Canada used to monitor phone calls.  Since the 1960's, all phone calls get routed through this facility.

The facility is in Canada to circumvent US law prohibiting US agents from spying on US citizens.   But there's nothing preventing Canadian agents from spying on US citizens for the US government or agents of the US outside of the US from intercepting phone calls to or from US citizens.

The CSE the Canadian Secrity Establishment (our cyber spies) cooperate with the NSA on a regular basis and if you follow the Snowden leaks are no less guilty of this sort of thing.  Plus they just built a massive complex to facilitate an increase in this sort of activity, so this is a common Orwellian problem for the two nations.



No, please no. I don't want things like the NSA, FBI, TSA, etc. in Canada if we joined countries.



No, I don't want American corporations completely ruining what little good we have left.



I was walking down along the street and I heard this voice saying, "Good evening, Mr. Dowd." Well, I turned around and here was this big six-foot rabbit leaning up against a lamp-post. Well, I thought nothing of that because when you've lived in a town as long as I've lived in this one, you get used to the fact that everybody knows your name.