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What's the point of no return for WiiU?

When/if MK fails 121 35.07%
 
When/if Smash fails 64 18.55%
 
When/if a $100 cut fails 78 22.61%
 
Other 79 22.90%
 
Total:342
jrRodney said:
So the Wii is a super success? For investors yes for gamers it's a maybe. More grandmas preferred the Wii and more gamers liked the other 2 consoles. You can talk sales of over 100 million but no one has designing wii games for a while and look at PS3 and 360. But yeah sales are how we measure success. I measure success by how many defining titles you make where is GTA5, Metal Gear anything, Last of Us, Heavy Rain, Uncharted, Beyond two Souls? The PS3 and 360 are still very much alive. The only thing keeping the Wii alive is Mario, Kirby, and Just Dance great games but hardly defining titles. So screw sales I would take great games from 3rd party developers over 100 million sales and great Mario, Kirby, and just dance titles any day.

Once again, this is a website about sales and this is in the sales forum, if you don't want to discuss sales then don't come in here.



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Of course the main reason for the poor Wii U sales is the lack of top-notch games. Mario Kart is the BIGGEST series for Nintendo. Once when MK8 releases, the Wii U sales will rise greatly.



Areal-Llort said:
Of course the main reason for the poor Wii U sales is the lack of top-notch games. Mario Kart is the BIGGEST series for Nintendo. Once when MK8 releases, the Wii U sales will rise greatly.

This is in your opinion, not all share it and increasingly few agree with you. The WiiU itself is the issues and the audience it targets.



 

DerNebel said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

Yea but there are other issues around wiiU's first year performance as well... People can blame the large lack of advertisements (which they finally started around november/december), the lack of system sellers, the lack of an e3 show up, and overall lack of anything interesting apart from Mario 3d World... Games like Pikmen, Wonderful 101, lego city undercover and etc are niche games and majority of the quality games was on the 3ds

When Smash Bros comes out and if it fails to sell wiiUs, then without a doubt, its basically a failure in terms of sales, but if Smash Bros comes out and its a hit, then obviously the wiiU is probably gonna do well... Same goes for MK8... But we will see

What do you define as a hit in this scenario?

It if moves a million consoles/software or more within one month of its release... So basically, 250k a week or more for hardware and 250k and more for software... Obviously they both have strong legs so they will continue to sell strong in terms of software even after a month but if they don't then its a fail...



                  

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I think you can't save the Wii U anymore if...

- the weekly sales drop to 20-30K despite 3D World
- it can't sell more units in 2014 than 2012+2013 combined
- Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros. are launching with less than 500K units (US+Europe+Japan combined)



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Areal-Llort said:
Of course the main reason for the poor Wii U sales is the lack of top-notch games. Mario Kart is the BIGGEST series for Nintendo. Once when MK8 releases, the Wii U sales will rise greatly.

So when 2D Mario was hailed as the Nintendo system seller everyone was wrong because the Wii u came out with a lot of 2D Mario in the first year. And, suddenly it fails, and people jump onto the Mario kart is the main system seller hype train. Call me a skeptic of the continued blind optimism from many for sure,



If Mario Kart 8 in particular fails to noticeably improve hardware sales for a sustained period, that would be the biggest dagger, in my opinion.

2014 is definitely the make-or-break year for Wii U as to whether it can even be a viable platform for Nintendo. Gamecube made them money despite its low sales…if Wii U can achieve that then it doesn't have to be a "failure." At the same time…to some it will ALWAYS be a failure because it won't match the success of the Wii or even come remotely close. So it's all really a matter of perspective and how you define things…it's very subjective. To me…as long as Nintendo can eventually make money on Wii U hardware and sell decent amounts of software and continue making great games that I enjoy (and hopefully ink out 20 million Wii U's in its lifespan) then it won't be a failure. Certainly not a success…just as Gamecube wasn't a success. But not a failure to me.

But to the OP, MK8 is the most important I believe…followed by Smash Bros….and 3rd (in my opinion) is actually going to be at E3 when they show off Zelda. I'm not one who cares about graphics or art styles and can appreciate Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, and Skyward Sword for their wonderful and unique art styles equally (even if I do have personal preferences, of course)…but that being said, I really think showing off a more "mature" styled Zelda closer to TP or the Wii U Zelda tech-demo could have a very positive influence. Maybe not on sales immediately, as the next Zelda probably won't come until 2015, but in the opinion of the "gamer-culture" at large I think showing off an appealing-looking Zelda title at E3 this year could prove to be a VERY good thing for public opinion on Wii U. Now, if they show something more artsy like WW or SS, or something completely out of left-field art/graphics-wise, of course that has no bearing on the fact that it will probably be a wonderful, large, open-world, free-dungeon-ordered game (a'la A Link Between Worlds), but I do think that would only be another missed opportunity that could sink Wii U even faster.



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spurgeonryan said:
Seece said:

A) as ioi pointed out, console sales that close doesn't = a win for a system

B) was adjusted anyway, XB1 is ahead now

C) literally means nothing anyway that either console won that week ....



 

But is that what it has come down to? Microsoft has to settle for me adjustments just to beat a supposedly doomed system?

 

I would say they will push it well after Sony gives up on vita. Which will be five years or more.

.... what??? What has Microsoft got to do with VGC adjustments? Why do they have to 'settle' for it. I already said it doesn't mean anything that either were close to each other.

What has Vita got to do with Nintendo pushing WiiU?

Are you actually going to contribute instead of talking nonsense?



 

Max King of the Wild said:

Wii U needs to reach 14m by the end of 2014 to have a chance... (hint... those are gamecube level sales).

Why does it have to reach GC level by the end of the year to still have a chance? 

It'll still outsell the GC in the long-run.



Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
DerNebel said:

What do you define as a hit in this scenario?

It if moves a million consoles/software or more within one month of its release... So basically, 250k a week or more for hardware and 250k and more for software... Obviously they both have strong legs so they will continue to sell strong in terms of software even after a month but if they don't then its a fail...

Well, I'm pretty sure Smash and MK will sell a million or at least close to a million in their first month and they will have great legs, your hardware criteria I'm doubting they'll meet though.