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ryuzaki57 said:
Aielyn said:
I honestly suspect that Nintendo has had publishers keep all of their 2014 titles secret, for some big unveiling, or something like that (1). Consider that neither Sega nor Ubisoft (2), both of whom have been supporting Nintendo very strongly, have anything announced for 2014. A similar thing can be noted regarding Namco Bandai and Tecmo Koei (2), both of which have supported Nintendo quite well, and both of which are co-developing titles with Nintendo (3).

(1) Yep. WiiU has been having secret 3rd party games since January 2013. i'm still waiting for them.

(2) Those publishers don't sell jackshit on Nintendo platform (or at last not that more than on Vita, where digital sales are higher)

(3) That has nothing to do with the case at hand. Those titles are paid in full by Nintendo, the contractor has 0 risk.

1. This isn't specifically about the Wii U, and your attempt to troll is not appreciated. That being said, the Wii U had quite a few third-party titles in 2013. And yet, with the exception of a couple of minor new IP titles and a couple of games delayed from 2013, third-party Wii U games in 2014 have not been announced at all. Even the ones we KNOW are coming. That is a fact. And it's exactly the same regarding the 3DS.

2. Ubisoft, maybe - although I find it doubtful that they have zero titles for the 3DS. Sega released three titles for 3DS in 2013, not including Mario & Sonic at the Olympics. Namco Bandai released 21 3DS games in 2013. Tecmo Koei released two titles for 3DS in 2013. But good for you for trying to demolish a solid argument for why 3DS's upcoming lineup might be stronger than the current schedule suggests while putting forward the idea that Vita digital sales are higher with ZERO justification.

3. You've missed the point - it's not that there's no risk, it's that Nintendo isn't going to give them a low-risk high-return opportunity like working with Smash Bros, Zelda, etc, without those publishers giving something in return. I have zero doubt that the agreement reached that led to these co-development situations involved further agreements by those publishers to also make other games for the Wii U and/or 3DS. Kind of like how Sega got to use Mario in exchange for making Sonic Lost World (and possibly the third Sonic title, which may or may not have Mario in it) a Nintendo exclusive.

There is no inherent benefit to Nintendo to contract their biggest franchises out to third parties if those third parties give nothing else in return. Nintendo would have been better off using the money to make another studio for themselves, and develop it all in-house.

Do you really think Nintendo doesn't have studios capable of making Smash Bros, given that they've made previous Smash Bros games? They gave it to Namco Bandai for a reason. NB will have games coming to the Wii U.



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Chandler said:

[1] This is not a Wii U thread and that statement doesn't hold true for the 3DS at all, so what's your point?

[2] Ah, yes, the infamous digital sales, such hard facts. Tales from the ass.

[3] We'll see about that in a month.

(1) It seems to be Nintendo's general policy so...

(2) Do you think I say things without proof? Look at this http://www.jp.playstation.com/psn/store/sp/131227storerank2013/?ref=rss

Vahalla Knights 3 sold 20K digitally at launch and it's 10th, so the top games are in the tens of thousands.

And by the way, sales weren't my point : it's margin.

(3) Srly, the January 2013 direct was an emergency direct to prevent total collapse of WiiU sales (which it didn't), there is no guarantee of any direct if this importance this year



Chandler said:

It's amazing how you are selling yourself purposefully as stupid when it fits your agenda :D

Everyone has an agenda. The press has an agenda, so I do believe I can have one at my level



eFKac said:

Then lol :D Bethesda Game Studios only develops games from Fallout and TES series and one racing game, and they would be developing a port of Borderlands 2 for the Vita? I haven't had such a good laugh for a long time :D

The developers are Iron Galaxy Studios in collaboration with Sony.

Yes sorry. It's kind of giving a rough picture.



Lucas-Rio said:
Vita is pretty much a discontinued platform and software sells close to nothing on it. The games who have sold more than 500 000 on Vita must be counted with less than one hand.

To the contrary, the 3DS has a virtual monopoly now on handled sales. Like the last MC report showed, 30 games in the top 30 were 3DS games, and 3 only were on Vita.

Even the struggling Wii U and the dead PS placed more titles.

Vita is finished in 2014.

How do you explain the flurry of Vita titles in Japan then?



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Lucas-Rio said:
Vita is pretty much a discontinued platform and software sells close to nothing on it. The games who have sold more than 500 000 on Vita must be counted with less than one hand.

To the contrary, the 3DS has a virtual monopoly now on handled sales. Like the last MC report showed, 30 games in the top 30 were 3DS games, and 3 only were on Vita.

Even the struggling Wii U and the dead PS placed more titles.

Vita is finished in 2014.

Vita: Don't hate on me, you know mah swag but not mah story.

Vita is getting some awesome games from Japan, I hope they localize em for later 2014 as Shin Gundam Musou, Battle Pentagram, Disgaea 4.

And you forgot to mention DBZ: Battle of Z even if no one is actually interested in that game.



Aielyn said:

1. This isn't specifically about the Wii U, and your attempt to troll is not appreciated. That being said, the Wii U had quite a few third-party titles in 2013. And yet, with the exception of a couple of minor new IP titles and a couple of games delayed from 2013, third-party Wii U games in 2014 have not been announced at all. Even the ones we KNOW are coming. That is a fact. And it's exactly the same regarding the 3DS (1)

2. Ubisoft, maybe - although I find it doubtful that they have zero titles for the 3DS (2). Sega released three titles for 3DS in 2013 (3), not including Mario & Sonic at the Olympics. Namco Bandai released 21 3DS games in 2013. Tecmo Koei released two titles for 3DS in 2013. But good for you for trying to demolish a solid argument for why 3DS's upcoming lineup might be stronger than the current schedule suggests while putting forward the idea that Vita digital sales are higher with ZERO justification (4).

3. You've missed the point - it's not that there's no risk, it's that Nintendo isn't going to give them a low-risk high-return opportunity like working with Smash Bros, Zelda, etc, without those publishers giving something in return. I have zero doubt that the agreement reached that led to these co-development situations involved further agreements by those publishers to also make other games for the Wii U and/or 3DS. Kind of like how Sega got to use Mario in exchange for making Sonic Lost World (and possibly the third Sonic title, which may or may not have Mario in it) a Nintendo exclusive.

There is no inherent benefit to Nintendo to contract their biggest franchises out to third parties if those third parties give nothing else in return. Nintendo would have been better off using the money to make another studio for themselves, and develop it all in-house.

Do you really think Nintendo doesn't have studios capable of making Smash Bros (5), given that they've made previous Smash Bros games? They gave it to Namco Bandai for a reason. NB will have games coming to the Wii U.

(1) Do you know anything the majority of people don't? 3rd party publishers have announced PS4/X1/X360/PS3 games that release end 2014/early 2015. Why would they hide only the WiiU/3DS projects?

(2) Please remind me what Ubi has released for 3DS in 2013.

(3) Every single Sega game on Ninty platforms was a bomba. I hardly recon they want more bombas.

(4) see above

(5) Nintendo has delayed quite a few in-house games since WiiU launched. It's ovbvious they can't keep up with development. Anyway, there is not fact pointing at more 3rd party games for Ninty platforms at this point.



Lucas-Rio said:

Vita is finished in 2014.


Don't tell Namco that. They've already got Digimon lined up exclusively for it in 2015...



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ryuzaki57 said:

Chandler said:

[1] This is not a Wii U thread and that statement doesn't hold true for the 3DS at all, so what's your point?

[2] Ah, yes, the infamous digital sales, such hard facts. Tales from the ass.

[3] We'll see about that in a month.

(1) It seems to be Nintendo's general policy so...

(2) Do you think I say things without proof? Look at this http://www.jp.playstation.com/psn/store/sp/131227storerank2013/?ref=rss

Vahalla Knights 3 sold 20K digitally at launch and it's 10th, so the top games are in the tens of thousands.

And by the way, sales weren't my point : it's margin.

(3) Srly, the January 2013 direct was an emergency direct to prevent total collapse of WiiU sales (which it didn't), there is no guarantee of any direct if this importance this year

[1] Now you are just going full retard. Lalalala I can't hear you and so on. You did not only not adress my point at at all, you are straight up pulling more tales out of your ass.

[2] Oh shit it's a ranking, thats a lot of hard facts to prove your point....not. Even if this unsourced number of Valhalla Knights 3 holds true (I actually wanted to buy it in the recent sale, but what a shitty game this is) all that can be said is that the other 9 entries sold 20,001 units and so one. I'm pretty sure Animal Crossings 700k digital sales in Japan by february 2013 alone smoke the whole top ten on the Vita.

[3] It's a fact that a lot of Nintendos releases last year like ALbW, Donkey Kong, Dream Team and Pokemon have been announced AND released last year while all of Sonys "big guns" for 2012 have been announced in 2011. I'm willing to take on any bet that Nintendo has more yet unanounced exclusive games for 2014 than Sony does.

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Ongoing bet with think-man: He wins if MH4 releases in any shape or form on PSV in 2013, I win if it doesn't.

More complete lists of release dates here and here. Hamatora: Look at Smoking World announced for 3DS, releases in summer 2014 in Japan .