lol, yes, TONS. TONS of games available lol, pages and pages. And yes, Kinect went to Ghosts instead of turning off, its not the most unbelievable thing in the world and there's a first time for everything, not like your never gonna hear about it again. You seem pretty defensive btw.

Gosh they have been working on motion gaming since long before that.  In 1981-82 I had a 'Le Stick.'   The first real motion controller.  Pretty sure it had mercury in it.  It was an interesting novelity, but hard to use.  Nintendo corrected the problem of referance point with the cameras in the controllers and the 'sensor bar.'

Sony just seemed to copy the Wii.  But they put the camera on the TV rather than the controllers themselves. Added the glowing ball as an easy way to try the forward back axis without using two cameras and tons of math.  Sure it's more accuate (I hear) than the wii, but not really a major change.

Microsoft could always add objects that you hold to Kinect.  I'm surprized they haven't added a row of cameras like microphones.  But most of us can see 3D fine with our two eyes, and our brain doing a bunch of math.

Plus Sega had their own 'controller free' system. (Wasn't it Sega) in the early 90's. It was a cirlce you put on the ground and had an infa red detector. (Not explainint it too well, can't find it right now.)

I think there will be a hybrid of hands free and

Every UI has steps to get to something, the Kinect eliminates the majority of those steps.

Sony started the motion controls in 2004 when no other surviving console brand was using motion controls as an alternative way to game. In the R&D Videos they began development on the move two years before the Wii came out (immediately after the Eyetoy launched) because they said you are essentially stuck in min-game hell no matter how powerful the camera gets. I will agree that the move controls do resemble the Wii-mote, but Sony noted that in order for a 3D realm to be controlled while the camera motion process is going on you must have a peripheral in your hand. The move allows you to control the 3D world via a analog stick in the controller and the motion control 1:1 tracking allows you to accurately swing. Even with the Wii motion plus the Move is still more accurate. Primesense was going to give their tech to Sony but Sony turned the tech down because they deemed that tech limited. Eventually Microsoft got their hands on it and that is what is known as the Kinect today. 

Essentially the break down is Sony got the idea down before the both of them for how it should properly work to play real games. Well Microsoft never had an idea they just bought someone elses product. Not only can you move and control the 3D world but you can manipulate it. I implore you to look at the games called 'The Fight' vs 'Punch Out' vs 'The fighter Within'. Even last gen tech Move and Wii are more accurate than the current Kinect. The move demands full use of your body motion and swinging. 

Microsoft will not add objects to the Kinect because they've been selling a lie. If you add to it, its a cop out. Ryse becoming a non-kinect game should've been the first indicator of failure for the Kinect 2 to the world. The problem is...people will always justify paying $100 extra for a device that at true value for what you're getting is probably worth half and should be left up to choice rather than force bundled. MS is smart, they knew the fanfare for motion controls had died down. How do you turn a profit on motion control tech when you no longer want to take the risk on people turning it down themselves? Force bundle it. Create artificial demand. Problem for MS now is that they will have to create loads of software to make up for ramming it down peoples throats.

At best its a Dance Central min-game camera and multimedia scroller. The commands are nice when they do work. Again, this is just my opinion after using the Kinect 2. Xbox Snap can be accessed wit a controller. Kinect isn't needed. You get to the main screen quicker by just pressing the Xbox button and once everything is pinned to your front area your primary access items are well within reach. They need to fix the leagues of walls that you must go through to get to your destination. Once they fix that the Kinect might not even need to be around (especially seeing that they added the headset). Again...just my opinion.

oh yeah, ok.  I'm just carrying on a perfectly rational conversation with you and you just call me defensive?  

In what way am I being defensive?  

You said there aren't any games in the xbox one store, I said there are.  You're the one who provided a false statement.  

second, I never said anything about the kinect's capabilities being exclusive to the game store- you're the one who wrongly assumed that.  Honestly, I don't even know how you assumed that.  

third, I stated that your experience with the kinect going to ghosts instead of shutting off was the first time I heard that happening so far.  I didn't defy your statement nor did I call you liar, just that something like that was rare.  

I honestly have no idea how you came to the conclusion that I was being defensive from my statements..  :/

and to prayformojo- give me an example of a ui (that works amazingly well) that doesn't have multiple layers of menus.  Only way I see that happening is one, huge side-scrolling page- now, that would be highly inefficient.  

In 20 years from now someone will post a similar message but with a picture of the Kinect and how we will laugh at how primitive it was :)

Anyone who does this is a complete douche. Even if you don't ever play a single game with it, it makes navigation WAY faster. It makes playing in large parties easier by switching profiles without you doing anything except hand over the controller.

Only a complete moron would say otherwise. And don't give me the but its my opinion BS.

Its a fact that its faster and easier with Kinect. There is no single reason other than being a douche as to why you wouldn't have it Kinected for non game functions.

Has no one heard of pins? I pin everything I use. Its all you need in one space.

No. Anyone who buys the Kinect has a right to do whatever they want with it. They can keep it or unplug it. its not as important as you think. Most people will pin everything to their main page anywhere so they dont have to search through the layers and layers of ui. Being a douche is forcing the Kinect on everyone. Judging people for what they buy or how they game is a douche-like thing to do . Just let them be.

Wow. Its the internet, don't take everything so literally. You can't have a rational discussion with someone who can't pick up what you're putting down. When I said the Xbox One store was empty, I didn't mean there's ZERO things in it, I meant there's hardly anything in there, and there isn't. You have the option to view just games and when you do, not a whole lot pops up. My point? You can find anything game related quite easily and when you do, Pin it because you will find it to be very useful not having to go through the "huge amounts" of menu's.

As for the defensive point? You seem to argue against every point I come up with for why I do not like Kinect. I'm sorry if that offends you but that's just how I saw it.