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fatslob-:O said:
naruball said:
fatslob-:O said:
naruball said:


Dude, seriously, let it go. The quality = sales argument has been discussed to death and most people agree that there is no direct correlation between the two. Keeping up with the Kardashians, Jersey Shore and many other trash shows have/had huge ratings and quality shows like The Good wife don't.

Pupeteer bombed this year (so did Tearaway) and people who've played it including reviewers agree that it's an awesome game. Critics agree that the latest COD is not a good enough games and still sells more than almost any other game not called GTA. No one is saying that if a game is popular, it has to be trash, but if a game doesn't, it's due to a great number of reasons and quality is only one of the possible ones.

Why did Mario Galaxy sell that many units and its sequel  sold so much less? Was it quality? Accoring to critics, not really. There were clearly other contibuting factors. Also, the bLazblue series is contantly praised for its quality, but its sales are no much for Street fighter or Tekken?  Hell even PSASBR sold better than any Blazblue game and that game was considered medicore at best. Difference? PSASBR had much better marketing and included many popular characters. I personally loved it but bought it for Nariko alone.

Avatar is by no means the best movie ever made,  yet it made more money than any other movie ever released. People kept going back to the theaters to watch it and had to pay a premium price. Does that make it the best movie ever made or simply a popular movie? Simply put, no.

Suit yourself to use the hardcore base as a measure for quality. 

Dude, who said anything about hardcore base? I'm talking about general public and critics here. But suit yourself. Guess it's one of those days that everyone else is wrong and you're right, sicne they disagree with you. 

Do you honestly think that critics = general public ? I think were done here for the most part. 

Never said that. Two separate arguments. I think we're done here. 



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Sales beg to differ.



drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:

Do you honestly think that critics = general public ? I think were done here for the most part. 

dude look at all the best selling games on consoles, including COD modern warefare, which is when the franshise exploded, if you remove the fads, then yes.

What are the fads then ? 

the games where there first sequels drop like a rock, which has never happened before in history, unless you can show me proof.

Umm how about pokemon ? If we look at the first pokemon game sales altogether it went from 30 million to 15 million. 

Or how about mario kart wii where it's gonna drop from 35 million to 8 million when 8 comes out ? 

How about NSMBWII having 25 million dropping to likely around 4 million in lifetime sales ? 

These are pretty much where you see next iteractions "dropping like a rock".



fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:

Do you honestly think that critics = general public ? I think were done here for the most part. 

dude look at all the best selling games on consoles, including COD modern warefare, which is when the franshise exploded, if you remove the fads, then yes.

What are the fads then ? 

the games where there first sequels drop like a rock, which has never happened before in history, unless you can show me proof.

Umm how about pokemon ? If we look at the first pokemon game sales altogether it went from 30 million to 15 million. 

Or how about mario kart wii where it's gonna drop from 35 million to 8 million when 8 comes out ? 

How about NSMBWII having 25 million dropping to likely around 4 million in lifetime sales ? 

These are pretty much where you see next iteractions "dropping like a rock".

be specific about pokemon which game is it and i said first sequel, mario is a franshise, that's been selling in the millions for over 30 years, i'm talking about fads, there very first sequel.



drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:

Do you honestly think that critics = general public ? I think were done here for the most part. 

dude look at all the best selling games on consoles, including COD modern warefare, which is when the franshise exploded, if you remove the fads, then yes.

What are the fads then ? 

the games where there first sequels drop like a rock, which has never happened before in history, unless you can show me proof.

Umm how about pokemon ? If we look at the first pokemon game sales altogether it went from 30 million to 15 million. 

Or how about mario kart wii where it's gonna drop from 35 million to 8 million when 8 comes out ? 

How about NSMBWII having 25 million dropping to likely around 4 million in lifetime sales ? 

These are pretty much where you see next iteractions "dropping like a rock".

be specific about pokemon which game is it and i said first sequel, mario is a franshise, that's been selling in the millions for over 30 years, i'm talking about fads, there very first sequel.

Problem with your logic is that these games technically aren't fads because they continuosly sold well with very good legs. To know if a game were truly a fad then the sales would have dropped to the rock bottom in less than 3 months but WII party and WII Fit sold very well over time soo ... you really don't have a point. Case closed. 



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fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:

Do you honestly think that critics = general public ? I think were done here for the most part. 

dude look at all the best selling games on consoles, including COD modern warefare, which is when the franshise exploded, if you remove the fads, then yes.

What are the fads then ? 

the games where there first sequels drop like a rock, which has never happened before in history, unless you can show me proof.

Umm how about pokemon ? If we look at the first pokemon game sales altogether it went from 30 million to 15 million. 

Or how about mario kart wii where it's gonna drop from 35 million to 8 million when 8 comes out ? 

How about NSMBWII having 25 million dropping to likely around 4 million in lifetime sales ? 

These are pretty much where you see next iteractions "dropping like a rock".

be specific about pokemon which game is it and i said first sequel, mario is a franshise, that's been selling in the millions for over 30 years, i'm talking about fads, there very first sequel.

Problem with your logic is that these games technically aren't fads because they continuosly sold well with very good legs. To know if a game were truly a fad then the sales would have dropped to the rock bottom in less than 3 months but WII party and WII Fit sold very well over time soo ... you really don't have a point. Case closed. 

so did kinect sports so i guess you don't have a point as well, fads can sell for years btw, butIt wasn't a sustainable market because the defining characteristic of the Wii was the novelty of waggle control, and its use in Wii Sports, which started a brilliant positive feedback loop that lead to the Wii becoming a must-have item, as well as natural extensions of the core concept that played well with the rapidly growing install base, such as Wii Fit. But like with most fads, the sheer exuberance of the sales explosion in the early years was met equally with the most rapid sales drop-off ever experienced by a successful console. The Wii was all but dead by the end of its fifth year.

 

At that point Nintendo likely realized that they needed a different novelty to recapture that audience, and the Wii U gamepad has been a complete failure in that attempt. If they had been successful and come up with something as novel as the Wii's waggle, then they may have retained their audience, but it wouldn't be evidence that the Wii wasn't a fad -- merely that they managed to replace one fad with another. 

 

If you look at incredibly successful consumer tech products in the past decade that built sustainable audiences without needing to reinvent the wheel in each iteration, the iPhone is a perfect example. When it was unveiled, many (including RIM executives) believed that the idea of a touchscreen smartphone would never catch on. The iPhone sold well; each of its successors has sold better than its predecessor, and a huge and sustainable market was born. 

 

Nintendo retained the ability to use Wiimotes and play Wii games with Wii U, updated the internal hardware, and added a new control option. All in all, it's a nice improvement on the Wii, but it isn't selling because their 100M strong Wii audience wasn't sustainable. They're buying smartphones and tablets, and Nintendo is going to have to pull off a miracle hit to ever get them back.

 



It's funny. When your console of choice sells, then sales matter. When it's flopping, games are the way to go.
Looking at the posts, I thought I was reading a 2007 thread.



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drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:

Problem with your logic is that these games technically aren't fads because they continuosly sold well with very good legs. To know if a game were truly a fad then the sales would have dropped to the rock bottom in less than 3 months but WII party and WII Fit sold very well over time soo ... you really don't have a point. Case closed. 

so did kinect sports so i guess you don't have a point as well, fads can sell for years btw, butIt wasn't a sustainable market because the defining characteristic of the Wii was the novelty of waggle control, and its use in Wii Sports, which started a brilliant positive feedback loop that lead to the Wii becoming a must-have item, as well as natural extensions of the core concept that played well with the rapidly growing install base, such as Wii Fit. But like with most fads, the sheer exuberance of the sales explosion in the early years was met equally with the most rapid sales drop-off ever experienced by a successful console. The Wii was all but dead by the end of its fifth year.

 

At that point Nintendo likely realized that they needed a different novelty to recapture that audience, and the Wii U gamepad has been a complete failure in that attempt. If they had been successful and come up with something as novel as the Wii's waggle, then they may have retained their audience, but it wouldn't be evidence that the Wii wasn't a fad -- merely that they managed to replace one fad with another. 

 

If you look at incredibly successful consumer tech products in the past decade that built sustainable audiences without needing to reinvent the wheel in each iteration, the iPhone is a perfect example. When it was unveiled, many (including RIM executives) believed that the idea of a touchscreen smartphone would never catch on. The iPhone sold well; each of its successors has sold better than its predecessor, and a huge and sustainable market was born. 

 

Nintendo retained the ability to use Wiimotes and play Wii games with Wii U, updated the internal hardware, and added a new control option. All in all, it's a nice improvement on the Wii, but it isn't selling because their 100M strong Wii audience wasn't sustainable. They're buying smartphones and tablets, and Nintendo is going to have to pull off a miracle hit to ever get them back.

 

@Bold I stopped reading there. I think were done here. If you think gamecube is the way to go then so be it. 



Pavolink said:
It's funny. When your console of choice sells, then sales matter. When it's flopping, games are the way to go.
Looking at the posts, I thought I was reading a 2007 thread.

Umm ... *looks at sig* Ok then. 

Do you think sales equate to quality ? Sales definitely determine the relevance of a franchise soo ... 



fatslob-:O said:
Pavolink said:
It's funny. When your console of choice sells, then sales matter. When it's flopping, games are the way to go.
Looking at the posts, I thought I was reading a 2007 thread.

Umm ... *looks at sig* Ok then. 

Do you think sales equate to quality ? Sales definitely determine the relevance of a franchise soo ... 


Wii Party definitely determined the relevance of Wii Party U. Cannot wait to see Wii Fit U selling 20m.

And what do my sig has to do with this?



Proud to be the first cool Nintendo fan ever

Number ONE Zelda fan in the Universe

DKCTF didn't move consoles

Prediction: No Zelda HD for Wii U, quietly moved to the succesor

Predictions for Nintendo NX and Mobile