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fatslob-:O said:
ironmanDX said:
fatslob-:O said:
mysteryman said:
fatslob-:O said:
Metacritic scores means nothing if your games keep flopping on a commercial basis.

Would you rather a system full of crappy games that sell well to the masses?

Those so called "crappy" games are realized in high quality according to the masses so yes.  


CoD falls under that. You lost the War even before it began.

 

The masses are stupid.

Then I guess Halo, GT, and mario are trash then ? 

If the masses were truly stupid then why do they also dissociate from the bad games you hardcore gamers hate then ? Because much like you they think the game is likely trash like Too human or duke nukem forever.


Dude, seriously, let it go. The quality = sales argument has been discussed to death and most people agree that there is no direct correlation between the two. Keeping up with the Kardashians, Jersey Shore and many other trash shows have/had huge ratings and quality shows like The Good wife don't.

Pupeteer bombed this year (so did Tearaway) and people who've played it including reviewers agree that it's an awesome game. Critics agree that the latest COD is not a good enough games and still sells more than almost any other game not called GTA. No one is saying that if a game is popular, it has to be trash, but if a game doesn't, it's due to a great number of reasons and quality is only one of the possible ones.

Why did Mario Galaxy sell that many units and its sequel  sold so much less? Was it quality? Accoring to critics, not really. There were clearly other contibuting factors. Also, the bLazblue series is contantly praised for its quality, but its sales are no much for Street fighter or Tekken?  Hell even PSASBR sold better than any Blazblue game and that game was considered medicore at best. Difference? PSASBR had much better marketing and included many popular characters. I personally loved it but bought it for Nariko alone.

Avatar is by no means the best movie ever made,  yet it made more money than any other movie ever released. People kept going back to the theaters to watch it and had to pay a premium price. Does that make it the best movie ever made or simply a popular movie? Simply put, no.



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naruball said:
fatslob-:O said:
ironmanDX said:
fatslob-:O said:
mysteryman said:
fatslob-:O said:
Metacritic scores means nothing if your games keep flopping on a commercial basis.

Would you rather a system full of crappy games that sell well to the masses?

Those so called "crappy" games are realized in high quality according to the masses so yes.  


CoD falls under that. You lost the War even before it began.

 

The masses are stupid.

Then I guess Halo, GT, and mario are trash then ? 

If the masses were truly stupid then why do they also dissociate from the bad games you hardcore gamers hate then ? Because much like you they think the game is likely trash like Too human or duke nukem forever.


Dude, seriously, let it go. The quality = sales argument has been discussed to death and most people agree that there is no direct correlation between the two. Keeping up with the Kardashians, Jersey Shore and many other trash shows have/had huge ratings and quality shows like The Good wife don't.

Pupeteer bombed this year (so did Tearaway) and people who've played it including reviewers agree that it's an awesome game. Critics agree that the latest COD is not a good enough games and still sells more than almost any other game not called GTA. No one is saying that if a game is popular, it has to be trash, but if a game doesn't, it's due to a great number of reasons and quality is only one of the possible ones.

Why did Mario Galaxy sell that many units and its sequel  sold so much less? Was it quality? Accoring to critics, not really. There were clearly other contibuting factors. Also, the bLazblue series is contantly praised for its quality, but its sales are no much for Street fighter or Tekken?  Hell even PSASBR sold better than any Blazblue game and that game was considered medicore at best. Difference? PSASBR had much better marketing and included many popular characters. I personally loved it but bought it for Nariko alone.

Avatar is by no means the best movie ever made,  yet it made more money than any other movie ever released. People kept going back to the theaters to watch it and had to pay a premium price. Does that make it the best movie ever made or simply a popular movie? Simply put, no.

Suit yourself to use the hardcore base as a measure for quality. 



fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:

Again the masses are more informed than you think they are. What do you think the trailers and game kiosks are there for ? How do you figure that GTA V sold more than it's last iteration ? 

this is laughable, if the masses loved those games so much like you think they do, they won't buy the sequels based on trailers and kiosks, this is the silliest thing i ever heard and GTA V is selling to a userbase 3x bigger then 4.

Again you keep assuming the masses are ignorant. If the masses are truly ignorant then why are alot of japanese games flopping ? Install base is an excuse when the point of the game is supposed to make you buy consoles, not the other way around.

ONE DOES NOT SIMPLY BUY THE CONSOLE TO EXPECT GAMES. ONE BUYS THE CONSOLE TO PLAY THE GAMES THAT WERE RELEASED.

Again this goes back to my point of "SOFTWARE SELLS HARDWARE". 

i'm tired and your arguments make no sense,  you say sales = quality yet you call kinect a fad(flip flopper), which would have sold the same as the wii, if it came out in 2006, but by the time it came out nintedo had already  exhausted the market, that's why the move from sony failed, the sequels to those games you say the masses love come out, yet they don't buy them, your argument would make sense if the sequels sold great, people found out they suck, then there is a huge decline in the next sequel but i have never seen declines like this on games loved by the masses. 

kinect would have not sold anywhere near the same because it's obvious that microsoft is not committed in giving a good influx of software. Again I ain't no flip flopper if you knew the definition of a "fad". Kinect fits perfectly in this sense compared to the WII. Once again you have yet to understand the "SOFTWARE SELLS HARDWARE". A "fad" is something that dies very quickly and the WII does not meet this criteria. The move failed because the software on it was trash. It's as simple as that. The masses have more than one ways to tell if software is trash. How else would minecraft have set the world on fire from such a small developer ? The masses have others like them to see if the software is good. When a small part of the masses buy a certain game they test it to see if it's good. When they go on about raving it's quality to other parts of the masses the quality of the game may spread like wild fire and quality is once again being redefined and realized at the same time. WII party and WII Fit did not light up the charts immediately but it's accumulated sales over the long run shows that it was a wuality software defined by the masses. The reason why the next iteration fell flat was because they deemed these games as not worthy of spreading through the mouth

Do you even read any of my points ? Were just going around in circles. 

you had me fooled i thought the masses were informed, how were they suckered into buying 30 million kinect, and a fad is not something that dies very quickly.you know the wiiu is selling horrible is cause nobody gives a shiq about the next wii sports or wii fit. even the huge japanese franshices that you keep on going about only went through a very small decline on there first sequels on ps3/360, games like wiisports and kinect adventures are fads cause nobody cares for them anymoe the proof is in the sales, show me a game  loved by the masses where sales dropped like a rock in the first sequel



yep, I ain't wasting anymore time in this thread just to prove some point.



fatslob-:O said:
naruball said:
fatslob-:O said:
ironmanDX said:
fatslob-:O said:
mysteryman said:
fatslob-:O said:
Metacritic scores means nothing if your games keep flopping on a commercial basis.

Would you rather a system full of crappy games that sell well to the masses?

Those so called "crappy" games are realized in high quality according to the masses so yes.  


CoD falls under that. You lost the War even before it began.

 

The masses are stupid.

Then I guess Halo, GT, and mario are trash then ? 

If the masses were truly stupid then why do they also dissociate from the bad games you hardcore gamers hate then ? Because much like you they think the game is likely trash like Too human or duke nukem forever.


Dude, seriously, let it go. The quality = sales argument has been discussed to death and most people agree that there is no direct correlation between the two. Keeping up with the Kardashians, Jersey Shore and many other trash shows have/had huge ratings and quality shows like The Good wife don't.

Pupeteer bombed this year (so did Tearaway) and people who've played it including reviewers agree that it's an awesome game. Critics agree that the latest COD is not a good enough games and still sells more than almost any other game not called GTA. No one is saying that if a game is popular, it has to be trash, but if a game doesn't, it's due to a great number of reasons and quality is only one of the possible ones.

Why did Mario Galaxy sell that many units and its sequel  sold so much less? Was it quality? Accoring to critics, not really. There were clearly other contibuting factors. Also, the bLazblue series is contantly praised for its quality, but its sales are no much for Street fighter or Tekken?  Hell even PSASBR sold better than any Blazblue game and that game was considered medicore at best. Difference? PSASBR had much better marketing and included many popular characters. I personally loved it but bought it for Nariko alone.

Avatar is by no means the best movie ever made,  yet it made more money than any other movie ever released. People kept going back to the theaters to watch it and had to pay a premium price. Does that make it the best movie ever made or simply a popular movie? Simply put, no.

Suit yourself to use the hardcore base as a measure for quality. 

Dude, who said anything about hardcore base? I'm talking about general public and critics here. But suit yourself. Guess it's one of those days that everyone else is wrong and you're right, sicne they disagree with you. 



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naruball said:
fatslob-:O said:
naruball said:
fatslob-:O said:
ironmanDX said:
fatslob-:O said:
mysteryman said:
fatslob-:O said:
Metacritic scores means nothing if your games keep flopping on a commercial basis.

Would you rather a system full of crappy games that sell well to the masses?

Those so called "crappy" games are realized in high quality according to the masses so yes.  


CoD falls under that. You lost the War even before it began.

 

The masses are stupid.

Then I guess Halo, GT, and mario are trash then ? 

If the masses were truly stupid then why do they also dissociate from the bad games you hardcore gamers hate then ? Because much like you they think the game is likely trash like Too human or duke nukem forever.


Dude, seriously, let it go. The quality = sales argument has been discussed to death and most people agree that there is no direct correlation between the two. Keeping up with the Kardashians, Jersey Shore and many other trash shows have/had huge ratings and quality shows like The Good wife don't.

Pupeteer bombed this year (so did Tearaway) and people who've played it including reviewers agree that it's an awesome game. Critics agree that the latest COD is not a good enough games and still sells more than almost any other game not called GTA. No one is saying that if a game is popular, it has to be trash, but if a game doesn't, it's due to a great number of reasons and quality is only one of the possible ones.

Why did Mario Galaxy sell that many units and its sequel  sold so much less? Was it quality? Accoring to critics, not really. There were clearly other contibuting factors. Also, the bLazblue series is contantly praised for its quality, but its sales are no much for Street fighter or Tekken?  Hell even PSASBR sold better than any Blazblue game and that game was considered medicore at best. Difference? PSASBR had much better marketing and included many popular characters. I personally loved it but bought it for Nariko alone.

Avatar is by no means the best movie ever made,  yet it made more money than any other movie ever released. People kept going back to the theaters to watch it and had to pay a premium price. Does that make it the best movie ever made or simply a popular movie? Simply put, no.

Suit yourself to use the hardcore base as a measure for quality. 

Dude, who said anything about hardcore base? I'm talking about general public and critics here. But suit yourself. Guess it's one of those days that everyone else is wrong and you're right, sicne they disagree with you. 

Do you honestly think that critics = general public ? I think were done here for the most part. 



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fatslob-:O said:
naruball said:
fatslob-:O said:
naruball said:
fatslob-:O said:
ironmanDX said:
fatslob-:O said:
mysteryman said:
fatslob-:O said:
Metacritic scores means nothing if your games keep flopping on a commercial basis.

Would you rather a system full of crappy games that sell well to the masses?

Those so called "crappy" games are realized in high quality according to the masses so yes.  


CoD falls under that. You lost the War even before it began.

 

The masses are stupid.

Then I guess Halo, GT, and mario are trash then ? 

If the masses were truly stupid then why do they also dissociate from the bad games you hardcore gamers hate then ? Because much like you they think the game is likely trash like Too human or duke nukem forever.


Dude, seriously, let it go. The quality = sales argument has been discussed to death and most people agree that there is no direct correlation between the two. Keeping up with the Kardashians, Jersey Shore and many other trash shows have/had huge ratings and quality shows like The Good wife don't.

Pupeteer bombed this year (so did Tearaway) and people who've played it including reviewers agree that it's an awesome game. Critics agree that the latest COD is not a good enough games and still sells more than almost any other game not called GTA. No one is saying that if a game is popular, it has to be trash, but if a game doesn't, it's due to a great number of reasons and quality is only one of the possible ones.

Why did Mario Galaxy sell that many units and its sequel  sold so much less? Was it quality? Accoring to critics, not really. There were clearly other contibuting factors. Also, the bLazblue series is contantly praised for its quality, but its sales are no much for Street fighter or Tekken?  Hell even PSASBR sold better than any Blazblue game and that game was considered medicore at best. Difference? PSASBR had much better marketing and included many popular characters. I personally loved it but bought it for Nariko alone.

Avatar is by no means the best movie ever made,  yet it made more money than any other movie ever released. People kept going back to the theaters to watch it and had to pay a premium price. Does that make it the best movie ever made or simply a popular movie? Simply put, no.

Suit yourself to use the hardcore base as a measure for quality. 

Dude, who said anything about hardcore base? I'm talking about general public and critics here. But suit yourself. Guess it's one of those days that everyone else is wrong and you're right, sicne they disagree with you. 

Do you honestly think that critics = general public ? I think were done here for the most part. 

dude look at all the best selling games on consoles, including COD modern warefare, which is when the franshise exploded, if you remove the fads, then yes, the best selling = highest rated.



drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:

Do you honestly think that critics = general public ? I think were done here for the most part. 

dude look at all the best selling games on consoles, including COD modern warefare, which is when the franshise exploded, if you remove the fads, then yes.

What are the fads then ? 



fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:

Do you honestly think that critics = general public ? I think were done here for the most part. 

dude look at all the best selling games on consoles, including COD modern warefare, which is when the franshise exploded, if you remove the fads, then yes.

What are the fads then ? 

the games where there first sequels drop like a rock, which has never happened before in history, unless you can show me proof.