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33 305 55.96%
 
Somethign else 36 6.61%
 
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BraLoD said:
FATALITY said:
i give this thread a 95% out of 100%


I agree 95% with you.

Well you have to, you'd be delusional if you claimed anything else



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BeElite said:

 

Hmm this was one bad prediction/opinion.  

ps

imagine the fun if you could search peoples threads like on other forums.

 


You can, using google... I think that is how most necrobumps not coming from ill intentions (people that bookmark ridiculous claim to bring it back) is done... I used it for 2 or 3 cases yesterday.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Interesting thread. Disagree with the OP, however, as I think that the reward is worth, really, a small cost in terms of units shipped. Last generation the Xbox 360 launched in Europe in December 2005, and Sony wasn't able to bring the PS3 to those markets until March 2007; although the Playstation platform still won mainland Europe, that gap might be narrower than it otherwise would have been due to the 360's sizable head start. This generation, they had an opportunity to strike while the iron was hot, and the PS3 was still considered the preferred platform, by getting themselves out into the public eye with an earlier 'official launch.'

As has been pointed out, these markets are on the small side; but that also means the initial cost of breaking into them, the units needed, are relatively low. Throwing everything into the U.S. might have barely moved a decimal point on the marketshare graph for the holiday launch; but it did give them a chance to lock up all the markets the Xbox One wasn't going to be officially launched in, for quite some time. Even though the units are available in many of the non-launched countries, a lack of advertising and dedication by Microsoft isn't likely to help them attract users who aren't a strong Xbox fan already.

Being able to lock up a strong lead in most, if not all, of these smaller markets will add up to a fair sized chunk of change in the long run, if it keeps the Xbox One from attaining even the market relevancy that the Xbox 360 did. Winning these markets helped the PS3 catch up to the Xbox 360 despite the latter's dominance in some of the biggest single markets. This generation, (especially if Microsoft never manages to get the Xbox One to that sort of stronghold dominance again,) those markets will help the PS4 pull even further ahead.

The current number of countries the PS4 is reported to officially be available in is, what, 100 now?



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Zanten said:
Interesting thread. Disagree with the OP, however, as I think that the reward is worth, really, a small cost in terms of units shipped. Last generation the Xbox 360 launched in Europe in December 2005, and Sony wasn't able to bring the PS3 to those markets until March 2007; although the Playstation platform still won mainland Europe, that gap might be narrower than it otherwise would have been due to the 360's sizable head start. This generation, they had an opportunity to strike while the iron was hot, and the PS3 was still considered the preferred platform, by getting themselves out into the public eye with an earlier 'official launch.'

As has been pointed out, these markets are on the small side; but that also means the initial cost of breaking into them, the units needed, are relatively low. Throwing everything into the U.S. might have barely moved a decimal point on the marketshare graph for the holiday launch; but it did give them a chance to lock up all the markets the Xbox One wasn't going to be officially launched in, for quite some time. Even though the units are available in many of the non-launched countries, a lack of advertising and dedication by Microsoft isn't likely to help them attract users who aren't a strong Xbox fan already.

Being able to lock up a strong lead in most, if not all, of these smaller markets will add up to a fair sized chunk of change in the long run, if it keeps the Xbox One from attaining even the market relevancy that the Xbox 360 did. Winning these markets helped the PS3 catch up to the Xbox 360 despite the latter's dominance in some of the biggest single markets. This generation, (especially if Microsoft never manages to get the Xbox One to that sort of stronghold dominance again,) those markets will help the PS4 pull even further ahead.

The current number of countries the PS4 is reported to officially be available in is, what, 100 now?


For Sony it was wise to spread (even more knowing now that they didn't lost much sales by being sold out and X1 available), but for MS being already defeated severely in those countries even being available 18months earlier on 7th gen they preffered to toss the towel before starting.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Zanten said:
Interesting thread. Disagree with the OP, however, as I think that the reward is worth, really, a small cost in terms of units shipped. Last generation the Xbox 360 launched in Europe in December 2005, and Sony wasn't able to bring the PS3 to those markets until March 2007; although the Playstation platform still won mainland Europe, that gap might be narrower than it otherwise would have been due to the 360's sizable head start. This generation, they had an opportunity to strike while the iron was hot, and the PS3 was still considered the preferred platform, by getting themselves out into the public eye with an earlier 'official launch.'

As has been pointed out, these markets are on the small side; but that also means the initial cost of breaking into them, the units needed, are relatively low. Throwing everything into the U.S. might have barely moved a decimal point on the marketshare graph for the holiday launch; but it did give them a chance to lock up all the markets the Xbox One wasn't going to be officially launched in, for quite some time. Even though the units are available in many of the non-launched countries, a lack of advertising and dedication by Microsoft isn't likely to help them attract users who aren't a strong Xbox fan already.

Being able to lock up a strong lead in most, if not all, of these smaller markets will add up to a fair sized chunk of change in the long run, if it keeps the Xbox One from attaining even the market relevancy that the Xbox 360 did. Winning these markets helped the PS3 catch up to the Xbox 360 despite the latter's dominance in some of the biggest single markets. This generation, (especially if Microsoft never manages to get the Xbox One to that sort of stronghold dominance again,) those markets will help the PS4 pull even further ahead.

The current number of countries the PS4 is reported to officially be available in is, what, 100 now?


For Sony it was wise to spread (even more knowing now that they didn't lost much sales by being sold out and X1 available), but for MS being already defeated severely in those countries even being available 18months earlier on 7th gen they preffered to toss the towel before starting.


Aye, which is a shame for them. xP Given how their previously dominant markets are shaping up so far, the last thing they'd probably have wanted is to actively surrender the other markets; again, even though they're small, they do add up, and even being in those markets might have kept them from being quite so stomped in global sales, even though Sony'd have won them anyway. Better to have middling sales in fifty countries your competitor is beating you in than almost zilch. =P

Given Microsoft's decision to focus all their stock- which turned out to be considerable overkill- in those 13 markets, (assuming it was true that they just couldn't BEAR to release in any other markets without proper Kinect localization,) wonder if Microsoft hadn't been expecting, even just before or just after launch, it to be this bloody difficult to so much as win an NPD in 2014. xD After that quote from Sony admitting they're surprised at how many people are jumping on board so early, stands to reason Microsoft wasn't expecting to see it happen either. =P



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Zanten said:
DonFerrari said:
Zanten said:
Interesting thread. Disagree with the OP, however, as I think that the reward is worth, really, a small cost in terms of units shipped. Last generation the Xbox 360 launched in Europe in December 2005, and Sony wasn't able to bring the PS3 to those markets until March 2007; although the Playstation platform still won mainland Europe, that gap might be narrower than it otherwise would have been due to the 360's sizable head start. This generation, they had an opportunity to strike while the iron was hot, and the PS3 was still considered the preferred platform, by getting themselves out into the public eye with an earlier 'official launch.'

As has been pointed out, these markets are on the small side; but that also means the initial cost of breaking into them, the units needed, are relatively low. Throwing everything into the U.S. might have barely moved a decimal point on the marketshare graph for the holiday launch; but it did give them a chance to lock up all the markets the Xbox One wasn't going to be officially launched in, for quite some time. Even though the units are available in many of the non-launched countries, a lack of advertising and dedication by Microsoft isn't likely to help them attract users who aren't a strong Xbox fan already.

Being able to lock up a strong lead in most, if not all, of these smaller markets will add up to a fair sized chunk of change in the long run, if it keeps the Xbox One from attaining even the market relevancy that the Xbox 360 did. Winning these markets helped the PS3 catch up to the Xbox 360 despite the latter's dominance in some of the biggest single markets. This generation, (especially if Microsoft never manages to get the Xbox One to that sort of stronghold dominance again,) those markets will help the PS4 pull even further ahead.

The current number of countries the PS4 is reported to officially be available in is, what, 100 now?


For Sony it was wise to spread (even more knowing now that they didn't lost much sales by being sold out and X1 available), but for MS being already defeated severely in those countries even being available 18months earlier on 7th gen they preffered to toss the towel before starting.


Aye, which is a shame for them. xP Given how their previously dominant markets are shaping up so far, the last thing they'd probably have wanted is to actively surrender the other markets; again, even though they're small, they do add up, and even being in those markets might have kept them from being quite so stomped in global sales, even though Sony'd have won them anyway. Better to have middling sales in fifty countries your competitor is beating you in than almost zilch. =P

Given Microsoft's decision to focus all their stock- which turned out to be considerable overkill- in those 13 markets, (assuming it was true that they just couldn't BEAR to release in any other markets without proper Kinect localization,) wonder if Microsoft hadn't been expecting, even just before or just after launch, it to be this bloody difficult to so much as win an NPD in 2014. xD After that quote from Sony admitting they're surprised at how many people are jumping on board so early, stands to reason Microsoft wasn't expecting to see it happen either. =P

Will X2 them release in no markets because X1 is losing in all markets?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Zanten said:


Aye, which is a shame for them. xP Given how their previously dominant markets are shaping up so far, the last thing they'd probably have wanted is to actively surrender the other markets; again, even though they're small, they do add up, and even being in those markets might have kept them from being quite so stomped in global sales, even though Sony'd have won them anyway. Better to have middling sales in fifty countries your competitor is beating you in than almost zilch. =P

Given Microsoft's decision to focus all their stock- which turned out to be considerable overkill- in those 13 markets, (assuming it was true that they just couldn't BEAR to release in any other markets without proper Kinect localization,) wonder if Microsoft hadn't been expecting, even just before or just after launch, it to be this bloody difficult to so much as win an NPD in 2014. xD After that quote from Sony admitting they're surprised at how many people are jumping on board so early, stands to reason Microsoft wasn't expecting to see it happen either. =P

Will X2 them release in no markets because X1 is losing in all markets?

....not sure where you're going with this. o.o I'm just mentioning that, in retrospect (hindsight 20/20, etc,) given the dropping of the mandatory Kinect and their tier 1 markets apparently having plenty of excess inventory, they might be regretting not having, at the very least, lessened the global butt kicking a little by trying to be a bit more competitive in terms of the scale of their global launch.



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It would have mattered at launch, but it doesn't matter now, stock is no longer a limiting factor for the US territories, and they can use their sales data over the past 9 months to plan prioritized stock management for the coming holiday, like all sensible companies do.



BeElite said:

 

Hmm this was one bad prediction/opinion.  

ps

imagine the fun if you could search peoples threads like on other forums.

 

thismeintiel actually made a thread all about ridiculous predictions/opinions in April. Back then, those predictions were really off-base. Looking back at them now, they're totally insane!

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=181892



Aura7541 said:
BeElite said:

 

Hmm this was one bad prediction/opinion.  

ps

imagine the fun if you could search peoples threads like on other forums.

 

thismeintiel actually made a thread all about ridiculous predictions/opinions in April. Back then, those predictions were really off-base. Looking back at them now, they're totally insane!

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=181892

stuff is gold