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ethomaz on 15 December 2013

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GribbleGrunger on 15 December 2013
Bliss said:
So, we may summarize saying ps3 > all, ps4 > xbox one, sony owning europe, and sony consoles on top worldwide, nintendo consoles last.
Also, ms console owning america. Nintendo is over.

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Hoshi on 15 December 2013
pezus said:
magoghm said:
domflo said:
Bliss said:
So, we may summarize saying ps3 > all, ps4 > xbox one, sony owning europe, and sony consoles on top worldwide, nintendo consoles last.
Also, ms console owning america. Nintendo is over.


If you ignore the handheld market, then yeah, that's true.

However, judging the future of Nintendo without accounting for handhelds would be like saying Sony is doomed because their TVs don't sell.

That's right.

Actually: (3DS + Wii U + Wii + DS) > (PS3 + PS4 + PSVita + PSP) > (XBox One + XBox 360)

On top of that, most games sold for Nintendo consoles are Nintendo games on which Nintendo must have a large profit margin, while most games sold on Sony and MS consoles are third party games for which Sony and MS only receive a small royalty.

Furthermore, Sony and MS have been spending a lot on advertising, while Nintendo seems to have kept their advertising expenses quite low for most of this year.

The bottom line is that while Sony and MS have been playing at the game of "Let's See Who Can Make The Most Porwerful Console", Nintendo is still playing the old game of "Let's See Who Makes More Money".

Problem is that Nintendo haven't been making much money recently. 

Ha ha, not much of a game really huh?



Michael-5 on 16 December 2013
XxGame4lifexX said:
Michael-5 said:
XxGame4lifexX said:

I doubt that sony will beat microsoft in the usa in the long run. Both of them can have a price cut next year but i was saying microsoft has a bigger chance of doing it first since the console costs more. I remember reading an article where microsoft was breaking even with the xbox one. No money was being lost. I heard that rumor of a new xbox version aswell. It could be a version without kinect and a bigger HDD for $400 who knows. I have a feeling titanfall will be a huge selling games like halo and its gonna move consoles. Plus this time around microsoft has alot more 1st party studios and we all know games move consoles. That will have an impact in the sales aswell. I believe thats the reason why ps3 sold out the xbox 360. All those exclusives made people buy a ps3. This gen is gonna be better than the previous. More exclusives for both and bother have better hardware. If you dont own both you will miss out on alot of great exclusives. 

It's not like the Playstation brand isn't big in the USA, PS1 and PS2 did dominate back in the day, and PS3 did fairly well too.

Guess we heard different rumors. Only time will tell in the end, but you have to agree the PS4-XBO gap in USA will be smaller then the PS3-360 gap (or in favor of PS4).

Don't forget X360 had A LOT of exclusives at the start too. Maybe not as many studios, but in terms of the sheer number of exclusives (even if you ignore timed ones), 360 had more exclusives then XBO. Who's to say exclusive support won't dwindle on XBO like it did on 360? I mean Sony's biggest studios were still primarily supporting PS3 in 2013, don't you think in the future PS4 will get a lot of exclusives too?

P.S. PS3 didn't top the 360 in the number of exclusives until 2011 This was 6 years after the 360 launched, we can't estimate what's going to happen 6 years down the road for XBO/PS4.

P.P.S. - Competition makes better products. PS4/XBO are better because of each other, and I agree with you about owning multiple consoles. I'm sticking to PC/PS4/WiiU for now, but before the 8th gen ends, if they sell XBO's without Kinect, I will get one. I don't want to miss out

The playstation brand is big worldwide. Sony has been in the game longer than microsoft. The USA will be great for both but the gap wont be that big. X360 did have more exclusives from the start but most were third party....meaning they weren't set on stone. Many came to pc after and some to ps3. Alot of gamers knew exclusive games on xbox sometimes ended up on pc so i assume they just waited for a pc version. Ps3 on the other hand had alot more real exclusives. As i said before microsoft has more 1st party studios than before. Unless they close them all down (i doubt) they will keep pumping out games for the xbox one. This time around its different for both consoles. Isn't it easier to pirate dvd games instead of blu ray games? i dont know much about pirating games but xbox 360 games got pirated to an extreme. Pirating caused alot of games to sell poorly. We will see 3 or 4 years from now if they are still creating games for it. 

I think PS4 still has a shot at topping the XBO lifetime in USA. Even if we hear XBO outsold PS4 in 2013, I still think PS4 will win in this region.

As for 360 games being ported to PC/PS3, I didn't know most 360 games would do that when I bought my 360. I bought my 360 before my PS3 in January 2007, and I bought it largely for Gears of War (ported to PC) and Lost Planet (timed exclusive). I feel MS didn't have that "characteristic" back in 2007. Now I feel most gamers expect 3rd party XBO games to be timed (hence all the controversy over Titanfall).

As for pirating games, what's your point? Illegally copies software doesn't affect hardware sales. Heck if it's easier to pirate DVD games on 360, wouldn't that boost hardware sales? This should reduce the tie ratio (# of games sold per console) too.

Anyway, we will see, right now it's far too early to tell anything. Even if XBO falls behind PS4 in USA, Halo 5 could be a game changer, and some goes in the other direction with Uncharted.



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Michael-5 on 16 December 2013
ethomaz said:

For now.

GRAN TURISMO 6 VS GRAN TURISMO 5
# GT6 US GT6 EU GT6 JP GT6 WW GT5 US GT5 EU GT5 JP GT5 WW Week Diff Total Diff
1 240550       500159 1039164 424737 2385184 -2385184 -2385184

You're going to hate me for saying this, but.....

I don't see Gran Turismo 6 selling 10 million. Heck 7 million will be a stretch.



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think-man on 16 December 2013
Michael-5 said:
ethomaz said:

For now.

GRAN TURISMO 6 VS GRAN TURISMO 5
# GT6 US GT6 EU GT6 JP GT6 WW GT5 US GT5 EU GT5 JP GT5 WW Week Diff Total Diff
1 240550       500159 1039164 424737 2385184 -2385184 -2385184

You're going to hate me for saying this, but.....

I don't see Gran Turismo 6 selling 10 million. Heck 7 million will be a stretch.

5-6 tops.



 

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4k1x3r on 16 December 2013
think-man said:
Michael-5 said:
ethomaz said:

For now.

GRAN TURISMO 6 VS GRAN TURISMO 5
# GT6 US GT6 EU GT6 JP GT6 WW GT5 US GT5 EU GT5 JP GT5 WW Week Diff Total Diff
1 240550       500159 1039164 424737 2385184 -2385184 -2385184

You're going to hate me for saying this, but.....

I don't see Gran Turismo 6 selling 10 million. Heck 7 million will be a stretch.

5-6 tops.

Even that seems high... Honestly if it sold 1/5 in the UK you can be sure that it will struggle to even reach 5M... They better release a PS4 version by next year's holiday



binary solo on 16 December 2013
think-man said:
Michael-5 said:
ethomaz said:

For now.

GRAN TURISMO 6 VS GRAN TURISMO 5
# GT6 US GT6 EU GT6 JP GT6 WW GT5 US GT5 EU GT5 JP GT5 WW Week Diff Total Diff
1 240550       500159 1039164 424737 2385184 -2385184 -2385184

You're going to hate me for saying this, but.....

I don't see Gran Turismo 6 selling 10 million. Heck 7 million will be a stretch.

5-6 tops.

GT does have legs, but given it's been released on a dying cosole I think 5 million is optimistic.

Quite surprised at the adjustment in hardware, but then again perhaps not given the PR from MS saying they are sold out all over the place (at least in the USA).



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bigjon on 16 December 2013
4k1x3r said:
think-man said:
Michael-5 said:
ethomaz said:

For now.

GRAN TURISMO 6 VS GRAN TURISMO 5
# GT6 US GT6 EU GT6 JP GT6 WW GT5 US GT5 EU GT5 JP GT5 WW Week Diff Total Diff
1 240550       500159 1039164 424737 2385184 -2385184 -2385184

You're going to hate me for saying this, but.....

I don't see Gran Turismo 6 selling 10 million. Heck 7 million will be a stretch.

5-6 tops.

Even that seems high... Honestly if it sold 1/5 in the UK you can be sure that it will struggle to even reach 5M... They better release a PS4 version by next year's holiday


GT5 was the 1st on gen 7, was delayed alot, and had aton of hype. GT6 will have better legs %  wise. I could see 6 mil or so.



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Wii- 72 million   3rd Year Peak, better slate of releases

360- 37 million   Should trend down slightly after 3rd year peak

PS3- 29 million  Sales should pick up next year, 3rd year peak and price cut

ethomaz on 16 December 2013

GT6 second week have a amazing little drop in UK.

It will be fine guys.