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Naum on 14 December 2013

If it wasn't for Nintendo this game would never have seen the light of day... and yet it's Nintendos fault..

Holy sh** ... wtf is wrong with some of you?
no wonder I've started to come to this site less and less as the days go by.



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oniyide on 14 December 2013
fatslob-:O said:
oniyide said:

if you think Activision is letting go of the 007 property then you are out of your mind. Its gone let it go, be happy they put those games out at all.

Honestly you sound very salty, dudebro shooters are the popular thing now, deal with it. Every gen there is an uber popular genre, dont be mad that its not your favorite genre, it will go away just have patience

I don't think he can withstand the fact that creativity is mostly irrelevant. 

why is creativity all of a sudden irrelevant? Because a genre he might hate is more popular than a genre he likes? What about in the SNES/GEN days when the consoles were stupid with platformers and me too mascots, was creativity not irrelevant back then? I dont buy it, there are creative games out there you just have to find them, hell you dont even have to go far.



oniyide on 14 December 2013
Soundwave said:
oniyide said:
Soundwave said:
fatslob-:O said:
Soundwave said:
fatslob-:O said:
Soundwave said:


Yes lets just have the industry make military shooters and nothing but. 

I'm not asking them to make more shooters and BTW open world games are doing extremely well like GTA, skyrim, assassins creed, etc so there's no need to reduce gaming to 1 genre. 

I'm only asking platinum games to start making something relevant. 


You know honestly f**k GTA and Assassin's Creed. And Skyrim too (gasp!!!).

Dudebros can go suck it, Nintendo should offer something different, even if they move into making more core games again. 

I'm sick and tired of every game being made for 16-year-old boys or the 30+ year old men who are still mentally 16. Gimme something different.

Bayonetta is wacky, so what. I say make it even crazier next time out. 

Should Nintendo broaden their horizons? Sure. Should they copy what's popular on the market now? Hell no. It's an oversaturated market. The only concession I would make is to have a FPS franchise, but even there I would not touch any of the crap military tropes that the market pushes out. Go buy the James Bond license and make a spy FPS. 

You realize that most of the gamers are 20 to 30 year olds, right ? 

Nothing wrong with making a game crazier, just make it relevant. Zelda and the older DMCs were as wacky as hell and guess what ? They were relevant! 

Again I'm not telling them to copy the the popular titles because they'll usually end up failing. 

A spy FPS ? I would rather another stealth FPS but nintendo doesn't really have experience in making stealth games either so I doubt that'll end well. 

GoldenEye sold 6+ million copies on the N64. If they want a beacon franchise for older gamers go with that. Bond is 100x cooler than any lame dudebros character (sit down, Master Chief, no woman is picking you over 007) and has worked well for Nintendo in the past, and doesn't have to be another lame military shooter. 

If Nintendo wants to make Bayonetta 2 "revelant", then instruct Platinum Games to make the best action game period. This game should be the best in its genre, it should be a 90+ on Metacritic, it should be far better than the first game. If it's a wacky game, then don't fight it. Embrace it, make a wacky marketing campaign around it. If it's sexy, then dial that up that. 

There's an oppurtunity there because no one is really making these types of action games anymore. So why not take advantage. 

Same with X. It should be the best Japanese RPG. Metacritic 90+. Don't release it until it is of that quality (either game). There's an oppurtunity here too as the Japanese RPG genre has grown stale, Nintendo can take the crown in this genre type if X is an even better game than Xenoblade.

That's the best thing Nintendo can do, is reassert their brand as the one that has the best quality games while broadening out into different genres. Mario 3D World is a great way to start it, I would carry that same philosophy over to Zelda -- that doesn't release until it's the best Zelda game ever. If I'm Iwata I don't care if that means delaying it into 2015. 

Even if certain games flop, the integrity of the brand is more important than any one game, any one console, any one hardware cycle even. 

if you think Activision is letting go of the 007 property then you are out of your mind. Its gone let it go, be happy they put those games out at all.

Honestly you sound very salty, dudebro shooters are the popular thing now, deal with it. Every gen there is an uber popular genre, dont be mad that its not your favorite genre, it will go away just have patience

Activision chose not to renew the Bond license. That's also why the studio Eurocom was basically shut down. Their rights expired at the end of 2012:

http://www.neowin.net/news/activision-loses-rights-to-james-bond-game-license

http://n4g.com/news/1175279/activision-loses-rights-to-james-bond-game-license

I'm not upset that certain genres are popular, but not everyone gives two craps about those games. If GTA sells 30 million copies, that means there's 100+ million 360/PS3 owners that don't give a crap either. 

Not everything needs to be made from the same cookie cutter formula. 

I dont think Ninty will spend the money they would have to on the Bond license, they are not about that life.

You're right, but thats 30 million that DO give a crap how many other games could say that? Not many. Not everything is in the cookie cutter formula, but people will follow the leader it has and will always be like that. Hell i would say it was worst in the SNES/GEN days when everyone was trying to have a Mario or Sonic



fatslob-:O on 14 December 2013
oniyide said:
fatslob-:O said:
oniyide said:

if you think Activision is letting go of the 007 property then you are out of your mind. Its gone let it go, be happy they put those games out at all.

Honestly you sound very salty, dudebro shooters are the popular thing now, deal with it. Every gen there is an uber popular genre, dont be mad that its not your favorite genre, it will go away just have patience

I don't think he can withstand the fact that creativity is mostly irrelevant. 

why is creativity all of a sudden irrelevant? Because a genre he might hate is more popular than a genre he likes? What about in the SNES/GEN days when the consoles were stupid with platformers and me too mascots, was creativity not irrelevant back then? I dont buy it, there are creative games out there you just have to find them, hell you dont even have to go far.

I'm not say that creativity is bad per se but the way nintendo goes about doing it is really stupid. They can lecture about creativity all they want after they become relevant again. 



oniyide on 14 December 2013
fatslob-:O said:
oniyide said:
fatslob-:O said:
oniyide said:

if you think Activision is letting go of the 007 property then you are out of your mind. Its gone let it go, be happy they put those games out at all.

Honestly you sound very salty, dudebro shooters are the popular thing now, deal with it. Every gen there is an uber popular genre, dont be mad that its not your favorite genre, it will go away just have patience

I don't think he can withstand the fact that creativity is mostly irrelevant. 

why is creativity all of a sudden irrelevant? Because a genre he might hate is more popular than a genre he likes? What about in the SNES/GEN days when the consoles were stupid with platformers and me too mascots, was creativity not irrelevant back then? I dont buy it, there are creative games out there you just have to find them, hell you dont even have to go far.

I'm not say that creativity is bad per se but the way nintendo goes about doing it is really stupid. They can lecture about creativity all they want after they become relevant again. 

to be fair it isnt as easy as it seems, they caught lighting in a bottle with WIi and some people wanted to forget that the two systems before that got stomped. and WIi U seems to follow those two. 



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Soundwave on 14 December 2013

One of the smarter things Nintendo could do is to actually look at genres that are underserved currently, like action games. Bayonetta can be the king player in that space as Ninja Gaiden and Devil May Cry seem to be done for.

Same with Japanese RPGs ... right now the genre is underserved IMO, X could make a name for itself there.



fatslob-:O on 14 December 2013
oniyide said:
fatslob-:O said:
oniyide said:
fatslob-:O said:
oniyide said:

if you think Activision is letting go of the 007 property then you are out of your mind. Its gone let it go, be happy they put those games out at all.

Honestly you sound very salty, dudebro shooters are the popular thing now, deal with it. Every gen there is an uber popular genre, dont be mad that its not your favorite genre, it will go away just have patience

I don't think he can withstand the fact that creativity is mostly irrelevant. 

why is creativity all of a sudden irrelevant? Because a genre he might hate is more popular than a genre he likes? What about in the SNES/GEN days when the consoles were stupid with platformers and me too mascots, was creativity not irrelevant back then? I dont buy it, there are creative games out there you just have to find them, hell you dont even have to go far.

I'm not say that creativity is bad per se but the way nintendo goes about doing it is really stupid. They can lecture about creativity all they want after they become relevant again. 

to be fair it isnt as easy as it seems, they caught lighting in a bottle with WIi and some people wanted to forget that the two systems before that got stomped. and WIi U seems to follow those two. 

Please don't say that the WII was fad. 



drake4 on 14 December 2013
oniyide said:
fatslob-:O said:
oniyide said:
fatslob-:O said:
oniyide said:

if you think Activision is letting go of the 007 property then you are out of your mind. Its gone let it go, be happy they put those games out at all.

Honestly you sound very salty, dudebro shooters are the popular thing now, deal with it. Every gen there is an uber popular genre, dont be mad that its not your favorite genre, it will go away just have patience

I don't think he can withstand the fact that creativity is mostly irrelevant. 

why is creativity all of a sudden irrelevant? Because a genre he might hate is more popular than a genre he likes? What about in the SNES/GEN days when the consoles were stupid with platformers and me too mascots, was creativity not irrelevant back then? I dont buy it, there are creative games out there you just have to find them, hell you dont even have to go far.

I'm not say that creativity is bad per se but the way nintendo goes about doing it is really stupid. They can lecture about creativity all they want after they become relevant again. 

to be fair it isnt as easy as it seems, they caught lighting in a bottle with WIi and some people wanted to forget that the two systems before that got stomped. and WIi U seems to follow those two. 

I agree with you on this, i think it's almost impossible for nintendo to be relevant again, you can release more powerful hardware but third party's won't be on board after the wiiu.



oniyide on 14 December 2013
Soundwave said:

One of the smarter things Nintendo could do is to actually look at genres that are underserved currently, like action games. Bayonetta can be the king player in that space as Ninja Gaiden and Devil May Cry seem to be done for.

Same with Japanese RPGs ... right now the genre is underserved IMO, X could make a name for itself there.


underserved? what does that mean? you mean there arent enough? THere was a MG spinoff one, Madworld, GoW, DMC, im sure im missing some. Or do you mean sales? cause making more games might not increase sales.



drake4 on 14 December 2013
fatslob-:O said:
oniyide said:
fatslob-:O said:
oniyide said:
fatslob-:O said:
oniyide said:

if you think Activision is letting go of the 007 property then you are out of your mind. Its gone let it go, be happy they put those games out at all.

Honestly you sound very salty, dudebro shooters are the popular thing now, deal with it. Every gen there is an uber popular genre, dont be mad that its not your favorite genre, it will go away just have patience

I don't think he can withstand the fact that creativity is mostly irrelevant. 

why is creativity all of a sudden irrelevant? Because a genre he might hate is more popular than a genre he likes? What about in the SNES/GEN days when the consoles were stupid with platformers and me too mascots, was creativity not irrelevant back then? I dont buy it, there are creative games out there you just have to find them, hell you dont even have to go far.

I'm not say that creativity is bad per se but the way nintendo goes about doing it is really stupid. They can lecture about creativity all they want after they become relevant again. 

to be fair it isnt as easy as it seems, they caught lighting in a bottle with WIi and some people wanted to forget that the two systems before that got stomped. and WIi U seems to follow those two. 

Please don't say that the WII was fad. 

what do you think nintendo can do to be more relevant, please don't tell me more powerful hardware.