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curl-6 on 13 December 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Its really nothing to write home about just yet so once again I wouldnt oversell it. No one needs to force me to buy it, as I said I will have it by association with having the Wii. Just waiting for more games to join in like X and others. Im going to have some niche fun on the Wii U.

For a console that's only been out a year it's not a bad lineup; Mario 3D World, Pikmin 3, NSMBU, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate... people into Bayo might be into more acquired taste games like Wonderful 101 and ZombiU as well. Then X, Donkey Kong, Bayo 2, Shin Megami Tensai x Fire Emblem, Kart, Smash, Yoshi, Zelda to come. 

Obviously for some it won't fit the bill, like PS4 and Xbone's lineups don't interest me, but I think most gamers could find games beyond Bayo 2 well worth playing on the system.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 13 December 2013
DevilRising said:
Zero999 said:
 

the term hardcore gamer means  gamer who likes games that demand skill and dedication. the nintendo audience certainly fits that while players of fps multiplayer are quite far from that definition.


That hasn't always been true. Back in the 80s or 90s "hardcore" and "casual" had totally different meanings when it came to gaming. "Hardcore" merely meant that gaming was something you spent a lot of time doing, where as a "casual gamer" was someone who only played games once in awhile. There was a period of time in the early 2000s when I just didn't have the time or money to invest in gaming as much, and my interest just kind of dropped off a bit in that GC/PS2 generation, where I actually considered myself more of a "casual gamer", because I didn't play as much as I used to as a kid or teen. And that was years before this new definition of "casual gamer" popped up with the advent or the DS and Wii.

To me, personally, the new definitions are rather silly. There is nothing all that "hardcore" about preferring games that are harder, and someone shouldn't be labeled "casual" inferring that they're not a "real gamer". That's a childish mentality, to me.


Theres nothing hardcore about wanting to play games that are harder? Do me a favor and ask twenty non-gamers if they want to play a hard game. After they tell you "No" because of "X,Y,Z". Now ask them if they want to play the Wii. Its easy if you're social enough to understand it.



NeoRatt on 13 December 2013

I think that platinum games is a solid developer. I have liked all their games I have played so far (Anarchy Reigns, Bayonetta, MGS Rising, and Vanquish).

And I am also fine with Nintendo getting exclusives. That is called "business"... And it was a great business decision to bring this game to their console.

I just think Platinum is mishandling the fanbase and their IP by making it exclusive to the Nintendo. I don't know what kind of research or reaction they expected. But, someone was really not thinking at Platinum when they signed this agreement with Nintendo.

I hope it sells well and Nintendo fans enjoy the game. I'm sure it will be good. But, Platinum has really just guaranteed that their core fanbase is not going to be run back if they come crying to the PS4 and X1 if they don't get the sales they want in Bayonetta 2.



S.T.A.G.E. on 13 December 2013
curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Its really nothing to write home about just yet so once again I wouldnt oversell it. No one needs to force me to buy it, as I said I will have it by association with having the Wii. Just waiting for more games to join in like X and others. Im going to have some niche fun on the Wii U.

For a console that's only been out a year it's not a bad lineup; Mario 3D World, Pikmin 3, NSMBU, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate... people into Bayo might be into more acquired taste games like Wonderful 101 and ZombiU as well. Then X, Donkey Kong, Bayo 2, Shin Megami Tensai x Fire Emblem, Kart, Smash, Yoshi, Zelda to come. 

Obviously for some it won't fit the bill, like PS4 and Xbone's lineups don't interest me, but I think most gamers could find games beyond Bayo 2 well worth playing on the system.


People into Bayo are into God of War & DMC. The PS4 and Xbones lineup doesn't need to interest you. again, I will have all three so it doesn't really matter to me but once more, I can understand why the many would choose to overlook Bayonetta because they cant find value in Nintendo if they do. I have value for Nintendo this gen. No one is really wrong if you think about it hard enough when it comes to consumers. What sells is always based on opinion. Nintendo just made an unpopular decision that most think they are going to get bitten in the ass for later on. Most of the games I am conditioned to play on Nintendo are first party. When Rare was a Nintendo second party developer those were the true days of Nintendo dominance to me.



curl-6 on 13 December 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Its really nothing to write home about just yet so once again I wouldnt oversell it. No one needs to force me to buy it, as I said I will have it by association with having the Wii. Just waiting for more games to join in like X and others. Im going to have some niche fun on the Wii U.

For a console that's only been out a year it's not a bad lineup; Mario 3D World, Pikmin 3, NSMBU, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate... people into Bayo might be into more acquired taste games like Wonderful 101 and ZombiU as well. Then X, Donkey Kong, Bayo 2, Shin Megami Tensai x Fire Emblem, Kart, Smash, Yoshi, Zelda to come. 

Obviously for some it won't fit the bill, like PS4 and Xbone's lineups don't interest me, but I think most gamers could find games beyond Bayo 2 well worth playing on the system.


People into Bayo are into God of War & DMC. The PS4 and Xbones lineup doesn't need to interest you. again, I will have all three so it doesn't really matter to me but once more, I can understand why the many would choose to overlook Bayonetta because they cant find value in Nintendo if they do. I have value for Nintendo this gen. No one is really wrong if you think about it hard enough when it comes to consumers. What sells is always based on opinion. Nintendo just made an unpopular decision that most think they are going to get bitten in the ass for later on. Most of the games I am conditioned to play on Nintendo are first party. When Rare was a Nintendo second party developer those were the true days of Nintendo dominance to me.

Since the people raging and bitter are doing so because they don't like Nintendo to begin with, it's not like Nintendo lost fans by publishing Bayonetta.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 13 December 2013
curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Its really nothing to write home about just yet so once again I wouldnt oversell it. No one needs to force me to buy it, as I said I will have it by association with having the Wii. Just waiting for more games to join in like X and others. Im going to have some niche fun on the Wii U.

For a console that's only been out a year it's not a bad lineup; Mario 3D World, Pikmin 3, NSMBU, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate... people into Bayo might be into more acquired taste games like Wonderful 101 and ZombiU as well. Then X, Donkey Kong, Bayo 2, Shin Megami Tensai x Fire Emblem, Kart, Smash, Yoshi, Zelda to come. 

Obviously for some it won't fit the bill, like PS4 and Xbone's lineups don't interest me, but I think most gamers could find games beyond Bayo 2 well worth playing on the system.


People into Bayo are into God of War & DMC. The PS4 and Xbones lineup doesn't need to interest you. again, I will have all three so it doesn't really matter to me but once more, I can understand why the many would choose to overlook Bayonetta because they cant find value in Nintendo if they do. I have value for Nintendo this gen. No one is really wrong if you think about it hard enough when it comes to consumers. What sells is always based on opinion. Nintendo just made an unpopular decision that most think they are going to get bitten in the ass for later on. Most of the games I am conditioned to play on Nintendo are first party. When Rare was a Nintendo second party developer those were the true days of Nintendo dominance to me.

Since the people raging and bitter are doing so because they don't like Nintendo to begin with, it's not like Nintendo lost fans by publishing Bayonetta.


Ok...lol then we found the simple answer. Let Nintendo fans carry the games sales. ;)

No really and truthfully I hope the game survives. I need hack n slash in my life as nonsensical as Bayonetta is. I am just saying that I am afraid for the title because of the market segementing. Its not a system seller. 



Lonely_Dolphin on 13 December 2013

Oh, this is still going on...



curl-6 on 13 December 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Ok...lol then we found the simple answer. Let Nintendo fans carry the games sales. ;)

No really and truthfully I hope the game survives. I need hack n slash in my life as nonsensical as Bayonetta is. I am just saying that I am afraid for the title because of the market segementing. Its not a system seller. 

It's not like there's no hope at all for decent sales on Wii U. ZombiU did okay, and it's M-rated.



S.T.A.G.E. on 13 December 2013
curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Ok...lol then we found the simple answer. Let Nintendo fans carry the games sales. ;)

No really and truthfully I hope the game survives. I need hack n slash in my life as nonsensical as Bayonetta is. I am just saying that I am afraid for the title because of the market segementing. Its not a system seller. 

It's not like there's no hope at all for decent sales on Wii U. ZombiU did okay, and it's M-rated.


Zombie U's sequel was pulled because it did not even sell close to profitability. 600k used to be profitable......at the leginning of last gen. Those who profitted off of the Wii were smart. They invested cheaply and came out winners in the end. 



curl-6 on 13 December 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Ok...lol then we found the simple answer. Let Nintendo fans carry the games sales. ;)

No really and truthfully I hope the game survives. I need hack n slash in my life as nonsensical as Bayonetta is. I am just saying that I am afraid for the title because of the market segementing. Its not a system seller. 

It's not like there's no hope at all for decent sales on Wii U. ZombiU did okay, and it's M-rated.


Zombie U's sequel was pulled because it did not even sell close to profitability. 600k used to be profitable......at the leginning of last gen. Those who profitted off of the Wii were smart. They invested cheaply and came out winners in the end. 

If it's true that ZombiU didn't profit, that speaks to gross mismanagement at Ubisoft, as nothing about the game is expensive.