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theprof00 on 13 December 2013
Wanderlei said:
theprof00 said:
Wanderlei said:
DamnTastic said:
mibuokami said:

More like smother it to death. :(

I love my Vita like I love my Sega Saturn. Despite being the failure that it was, it was one of my favourite console.

I love mine too.

Sonys next gen HH should be a android based mobile phone hybrid or something.
It plays dem HH games and mobile and you can call people. Something like that :P

It is extremely unlikely there will be another Sony handheld.

Or perhaps more frightening - push Playstation Mobile to the forefront and have the company focus on smartphones, tablets, f2p, paid subscriptions, and micro-transactions. It's not pretty.

But even thats looking unlikely now since Kaz lost the contract with Japan's largest carrier who is now bringing the iPhone 5 to it's network to replace Sony as it's main brand of phones.

 

you must be new here throwing around wild predictions like that as fact.


Does anyone except rampant sony fanboys seriously think there is even the slightest chance? Vita needed to sell better than the PSP for any hopes of a successor. If Sony had someone competent to run the company they would have knocked it on the head already.



-Sony has 17 billion dollars worth of debt
-Sony's market cap value is only 18.5 billion dollars
-Sony share price is only worth 10% what it was 10 years ago.
-At its peak it was $200 per share, today only $17
-Getting destroyed by Samsung and LG in consumer electronics,
-Apple destroyed them with the iPod and iPhone
-Junk Status rating
-Lost well over $8 billion on the ps3, more than their ps1/2 profits combined
-Losing $2 billion plus on the Vita
-Sacked 50,000 people in last 5 years
-Sold both Japan and US headquarters to avoid an embarrassing 5 years lose streak

But now Sony are gonna pump money in to something that is guaranteed to lose them even more money? 

You talk as if you know almost nothing about stocks.

1. Sony had a split at it's 180$ price in 2000, going to 90 dollars. The jump to 180$ was already way higher than it should have been. From 40$ to 180$ in less than one year, which resulted from insanely inflated stock prices and news of playstation 2's incredible success. The drop was further exacerbated by global financial slowdown. If you don't trade stocks you really shouldn't comment on what you don't know. I see stocks go from 10$ to a hundred in a day and drop back to 40 within a couple weeks. It is normal in the stock market for prices to become outrageous because people called pumpers push lots of money into the stock, then they short the stock, and sell, causing a rippling effect among buyers.

You buy 1,000,000 shares in increments of 10,000 every 20 minutes, this causes lots of people to see price going up, so they buy, hoping to ride the wave. By the end, your million shares got 2,000,000 people to also buy shares. Then you short the stock, which means you borrow against the price, sell your stocks quickly, then suddenly those 2,000,000 people are negative, and more and more are selling sending the price down. Before you know it, the price is through the floor, and you borrowed at the top, which means you not only made 1,000,000 shares worth of increasing stock price, but you also shorted a million off the top. This is normal wall street pumping.

2. Samsung and LG are both Korean. Huh, I wonder if that's a coincidence. (I already looked this up a year ago, so forgive me if I don't spoon-feed you the info). The Korean won has never seen a degredation of currency value against the global recession. What that means, is that Korean companies make an extremely good margin on their products, which, gee, I guess allows them to sell at a much cheaper price. Funny how that works. Throw the major recession into the mix, where people are buying as cheap as possible, and guess what. Korean companies currently are one of the most predominant consumer goods manufacturers. And it's simple to see why, if you'd bother to have checked.

3. Apple destroyed everyone with iShit, and currently losing stock price and market share by the yard.

4.(lost over 8B$ on ps3). Source?
5. Losing 2B$ on vita. Source?
6. Sacked 50,000. Yep, the entire global economy almost had a depression. Obviously a luxury consumer goods manufacturer is gonig to feel it. Suddenly, after things getting back to normal, Sony goes from 10$ to 18$. Man. Do some research brah.

7. Sony will make another handheld, you can bet your ass on that, because it's not as clear as the extremely biased picture you present.

Say fanboy again, and you're reported.

EDIT: Oh, and I'll save you some time on those sources I asked for. They don't exist.



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Lawlight on 13 December 2013

3DS overtracked by 400K? Looks like I'll be winning my bets, afterall :)



toadslayer72 on 13 December 2013

So what the fuck, Sony and the Gaf dude still leaving everyone hanging? I mean I can understand Sony not saying much outside of "Playstation ecosystem" last gen but why not now? I see Ethomaz and people are doing their best to figure it out but we're at 17 pages (@50 posts per page) and still nothing official. Now if you wanna say that that's just how they roll then I can live with that but what's up with your boy on Gaf?

Anyway, it seemed that most rational people expected PS4 to win NPD this month and congrats to them for that. XB1 did great too and as always the next few weeks numbers will be crazy around here. Props to da Chartz for being on point with the XB1 numbahs.



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Xenostar on 13 December 2013
Wanderlei said:
theprof00 said:
Wanderlei said:
DamnTastic said:
mibuokami said:

More like smother it to death. :(

I love my Vita like I love my Sega Saturn. Despite being the failure that it was, it was one of my favourite console.

I love mine too.

Sonys next gen HH should be a android based mobile phone hybrid or something.
It plays dem HH games and mobile and you can call people. Something like that :P

It is extremely unlikely there will be another Sony handheld.

Or perhaps more frightening - push Playstation Mobile to the forefront and have the company focus on smartphones, tablets, f2p, paid subscriptions, and micro-transactions. It's not pretty.

But even thats looking unlikely now since Kaz lost the contract with Japan's largest carrier who is now bringing the iPhone 5 to it's network to replace Sony as it's main brand of phones.

 

you must be new here throwing around wild predictions like that as fact.


Does anyone except rampant sony fanboys seriously think there is even the slightest chance? Vita needed to sell better than the PSP for any hopes of a successor. If Sony had someone competent to run the company they would have knocked it on the head already.



-Sony has 17 billion dollars worth of debt
-Sony's market cap value is only 18.5 billion dollars
-Sony share price is only worth 10% what it was 10 years ago.
-At its peak it was $200 per share, today only $17
-Getting destroyed by Samsung and LG in consumer electronics,
-Apple destroyed them with the iPod and iPhone
-Junk Status rating
-Lost well over $8 billion on the ps3, more than their ps1/2 profits combined
-Losing $2 billion plus on the Vita
-Sacked 50,000 people in last 5 years
-Sold both Japan and US headquarters to avoid an embarrassing 5 years lose streak

But now Sony are gonna pump money in to something that is guaranteed to lose them even more money?

 

 

 

 


Source for any of that, especially losing 2 billion on Vita, 



ethomaz on 13 December 2013
toadslayer72 said:
So what the fuck, Sony and the Gaf dude still leaving everyone hanging? I mean I can understand Sony not saying much outside of "Playstation ecosystem" last gen but why not now? I see Ethomaz and people are doing their best to figure it out but we're at 17 pages (@50 posts per page) and still nothing official. Now if you wanna say that that's just how they roll then I can live with that but what's up with your boy on Gaf?

Anyway, it seemed that most rational people expected PS4 to win NPD this month and congrats to them for that. XB1 did great too and as always the next few weeks numbers will be crazy around here. Props to da Chartz for being on point with the XB1 numbahs.

Well Sony just provided these two points...

+ PS4 is the top selling console in November
+ PlayStation consoles are the top family in November (reads PS3 + PS4 > Xbone + 360 or Wii U + Wii)

MS added...

+ 360 is the top selling old-gen console
+ Xbone have the biggest avg. per day sales

Cremsugar added...

+ PS3 12% of all  consoles (Wii + Wii U + Xbone + PS4 + 360 + PS3)
+ PS4 + PS3 > Xbone + 360 but the difference is > 10k

Summing everything you can't have PS4 lower than 1140k or righter than 1190k... I think 1150k is a good bet.



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outlawauron on 13 December 2013
Xenostar said:
Wanderlei said:
theprof00 said:

you must be new here throwing around wild predictions like that as fact.


Does anyone except rampant sony fanboys seriously think there is even the slightest chance? Vita needed to sell better than the PSP for any hopes of a successor. If Sony had someone competent to run the company they would have knocked it on the head already.

-Sony has 17 billion dollars worth of debt
-Sony's market cap value is only 18.5 billion dollars
-Sony share price is only worth 10% what it was 10 years ago.
-At its peak it was $200 per share, today only $17
-Getting destroyed by Samsung and LG in consumer electronics,
-Apple destroyed them with the iPod and iPhone
-Junk Status rating
-Lost well over $8 billion on the ps3, more than their ps1/2 profits combined
-Losing $2 billion plus on the Vita
-Sacked 50,000 people in last 5 years
-Sold both Japan and US headquarters to avoid an embarrassing 5 years lose streak

But now Sony are gonna pump money in to something that is guaranteed to lose them even more money?

 


Source for any of that, especially losing 2 billion on Vita, 

I'll help you out by saying no. He has no source.



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Soundwave on 13 December 2013
Figgycal said:
Can we assume that Black Friday had zero effect on the PS Vita's sales? A 33% price drop couldn't raise sales.


It's definitely dead. Tearaway bombed incredibly hard too. It's over here for it. 



aryu on 13 December 2013
whatever said:
MoHasanie said:
whatever said:
The latest guesses from GAF are:

PS4 - 1138K

But isn't that too low if the PS4 sold 1 million alone in 2 days? 

That's for US only.  The original million was for all of NA.

@MoHasanie: Yes, but there was hardly any supply left for the remainder for the month

@Whatever: Nope, 1 million in NA in 1 day, 1million in US in 2 days. Sorry if someone has already corrected you.



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Zax on 13 December 2013

Can someone tell me how much each console has been over/under tracked by.



Wanderlei on 13 December 2013

 

theprof00 said:

Wanderlei said:
theprof00 said:
Wanderlei said:
DamnTastic said:
mibuokami said:

More like smother it to death. :(

I love my Vita like I love my Sega Saturn. Despite being the failure that it was, it was one of my favourite console.

I love mine too.

Sonys next gen HH should be a android based mobile phone hybrid or something.
It plays dem HH games and mobile and you can call people. Something like that :P

It is extremely unlikely there will be another Sony handheld.

Or perhaps more frightening - push Playstation Mobile to the forefront and have the company focus on smartphones, tablets, f2p, paid subscriptions, and micro-transactions. It's not pretty.

But even thats looking unlikely now since Kaz lost the contract with Japan's largest carrier who is now bringing the iPhone 5 to it's network to replace Sony as it's main brand of phones.

 

you must be new here throwing around wild predictions like that as fact.


Does anyone except rampant sony fanboys seriously think there is even the slightest chance? Vita needed to sell better than the PSP for any hopes of a successor. If Sony had someone competent to run the company they would have knocked it on the head already.



-Sony has 17 billion dollars worth of debt
-Sony's market cap value is only 18.5 billion dollars
-Sony share price is only worth 10% what it was 10 years ago.
-At its peak it was $200 per share, today only $17
-Getting destroyed by Samsung and LG in consumer electronics,
-Apple destroyed them with the iPod and iPhone
-Junk Status rating
-Lost well over $8 billion on the ps3, more than their ps1/2 profits combined
-Losing $2 billion plus on the Vita
-Sacked 50,000 people in last 5 years
-Sold both Japan and US headquarters to avoid an embarrassing 5 years lose streak

But now Sony are gonna pump money in to something that is guaranteed to lose them even more money?

You talk as if you know almost nothing about stocks.

1. Sony had a split at it's 180$ price in 2000, going to 90 dollars. The jump to 180$ was already way higher than it should have been. From 40$ to 180$ in less than one year, which resulted from insanely inflated stock prices and news of playstation 2's incredible success. The drop was further exacerbated by global financial slowdown. If you don't trade stocks you really shouldn't comment on what you don't know. I see stocks go from 10$ to a hundred in a day and drop back to 40 within a couple weeks. It is normal in the stock market for prices to become outrageous because people called pumpers push lots of money into the stock, then they short the stock, and sell, causing a rippling effect among buyers.

You buy 1,000,000 shares in increments of 10,000 every 20 minutes, this causes lots of people to see price going up, so they buy, hoping to ride the wave. By the end, your million shares got 2,000,000 people to also buy shares. Then you short the stock, which means you borrow against the price, sell your stocks quickly, then suddenly those 2,000,000 people are negative, and more and more are selling sending the price down. Before you know it, the price is through the floor, and you borrowed at the top, which means you not only made 1,000,000 shares worth of increasing stock price, but you also shorted a million off the top. This is normal wall street pumping.

2. Samsung and LG are both Korean. Huh, I wonder if that's a coincidence. (I already looked this up a year ago, so forgive me if I don't spoon-feed you the info). The Korean won has never seen a degredation of currency value against the global recession. What that means, is that Korean companies make an extremely good margin on their products, which, gee, I guess allows them to sell at a much cheaper price. Funny how that works. Throw the major recession into the mix, where people are buying as cheap as possible, and guess what. Korean companies currently are one of the most predominant consumer goods manufacturers. And it's simple to see why, if you'd bother to have checked.

3. Apple destroyed everyone with iShit, and currently losing stock price and market share by the yard.

4.(lost over 8B$ on ps3). Source?
5. Losing 2B$ on vita. Source?
6. Sacked 50,000. Yep, the entire global economy almost had a depression. Obviously a luxury consumer goods manufacturer is gonig to feel it. Suddenly, after things getting back to normal, Sony goes from 10$ to 18$. Man. Do some research brah.

7. Sony will make another handheld, you can bet your ass on that, because it's not as clear as the extremely biased picture you present.

Say fanboy again, and you're reported.

EDIT: Oh, and I'll save you some time on those sources I asked for. They don't exist.

 

Whoa calm done, dont go full fanboy.

PlayStation division has lost over $8 billion since PS3 launched in November 2006.

The facts:
>FY 2007: $1,970,000,000 LOSS
>FY 2008: $1,079,000,000 LOSS
>FY 2009: $577,000,000 LOSS
>FY 2010: $889,000,000 LOSS
>FY 2011: $2,800,000,000 LOSS
>FY 2012: $1,100,000,000 LOSS

Total loss: $8,415,000,000

All figures come from Sony’s investor relations page - http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/index.html

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