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DMeisterJ said:
@ Riot

Oh, no. that's an old rivalry. We've always had problems

 No you've had problems with me for some reason, I don't care beyond mild teasing of you getting aggravated of what I say



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

rukusa said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

When has NPD issued a retraction on their numbers?

 

When Nintendo financials came out, the disparity between Nintendo shipped figures to NA and NPD data plus canada, showed that VGC was closer

 

why do I have to lay something more substantial than trust to say that I am suspicious about NPD figures?


How many times has Vgchartz been adjusting their numbers.

I'd have to take that Nintendo finances sheet and read it. But wait, youre talking about shipped figures here if I understood right? I believe the NPD tracks HW/SW sold to consumers.

Trust has generally zero value as evidence. Maybe youre suspicious because the figures are not pleasing you?


NPD adjusts their numbers as well. The difference is that only paying customers get it.

Me i'd lean towards believing NPD, though they were off the last couple times. Considering adjusting against NPD has hurt the numbers before. It seems to me that Vgchartz has a much more representative formula.

However, the low data still allows for cofounding variables to get in the way of some sales.

So whenever the numbers are close... i'd expect VGchartz to be right. Or at the very least shouldn't adjust.

When the numbers are way off though.... I'd adjust, but keep the old numbers somewhere else incase it needs to be changed back.  After hearing back from the parties involved in any case. 



i think it's pretty clear that npd numbers may have errors in it (i think so with ds). but i also think numbers need to be adjusted on this site.




@ Avinash_Tyagi

No, we've always had problems, more specifically, you can't accept the truth. That's been our problem.

@ OkeyDokey

Lol.

@ AT again,

I don't care if you're coming after my "precious ps3", you just can't handle that your precious wii were almost touched by the ps3.



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Avinash_Tyagi said:
DMeisterJ said:
@ Avinash_Tyagi

I guess that you're just not going to stop? I said, stop f--king calling me dude, yet you persist. I'm not your "dude", I'm not cool with you, therefore, don't call me dude.

Now you're trying to say it twice in a sentence. Well, I've already asked you to stop so stop. thanks

Now get over the fact that your beloved Wii was almost touch, and your DS lost to the PS3, only three times as expensive as it, and move along. Npd is 'more right' and vgc is 'less right', and the only reason you trust vgc more is because they keep your bias alive, if the PS3 is almost selling as much as the Wii then you can't hate on PS3 sales.

Somehow, the rest of the industry doesn't have a problem with npd numbres, only you. I guess we see what the real problem is. (If you don't know, it's you).

Wow where did PS3 come into this, I'm not discussing it, i'm merely comparing NPD DS figures to VGC DS figures

 

I wish you'd stop for one minute. Not only is your argument pointless, youre just being immature by calling the guy something hes asked for you not to do. Oh, lets all resort to playground tricks to aggrevate people. Even worse, its someone you dont even know! How pathetic is that?



Your argument is pointless because you seem to think VGC is more accurate than NPD data. YES, NPD could be wrong like they were in December, and in the case of the DS it may be likely, but its more likely BOTH VGC and NPD are wrong, one undertracks, one overtracks because its highly unlikely either side would get it wrong on such a massive scale.



However, at the end of the day, if you said to ioi im taking NPD's data over yours because i think its more accurate, do you honestly think he'd be surprised? Of course NPD is considered more accurate, its why its in the position it is.

 

And what does it matter if I take VGC over NPD? DM needs to calm down because i'm not going after his precious PS3, and if little things like me calling him dude aggravates him then he really needs to chill. Its hardly pointless if I trust VGC over NPD, its my decision, I don't see why DM should care enough to turn it into an argument


 In the same vein, its DM's decision if he chooses to question your decision to trust VGC. However, being immature isnt going to help the argument end anytime soon is it?



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--OkeyDokey-- said:
boys stop fighting for my affection. I love you both equally.

 ROFL, darn you, you made me spew my soda everywhere



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Bladeneo said:
Tendou said:
Tendou said:
Could anyone tell me exactly as to how NPD was wrong for December 2007? I wasn't around...

 


I believe the Wii was undertracked by a significant amount.


 Yeah, I've heard about that but I'm not finding any records of it on the internet. Could someone point me into the right direction?



Bladeneo said:
 

 In the same vein, its DM's decision if he chooses to question your decision to trust VGC. However, being immature isnt going to help the argument end anytime soon is it?


 True, though it is fun to watch him get aggravated and angry just because I call him dude, or I say something like Supply constrint



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

DMeisterJ said:
@ Avinash_Tyagi

I am not stressed.

I'm doing just fine

You are the stressed one, cuz the PS3 is close to your beloved Wii, and you can't handle it. It's really sad, instead of congratulating, you come in congratu-hating. I have no problem with the Wii's success. They ahve done great, and they're the market leader, but you can't say the same about the PS3. You can't come and congratulate them when something goes their way... But why would I expect you to? You ARE extremly biased...

I think that this post is true after reading some of his/her comments,,,so DMeisterJ don't argue with a person that is as biased as  he/she is,,,avinash _tiyagi Wii and Ds have dominated the world with the sales of 100000000000000000000 units in one week even though they both were suffering from shortage problems and lets not forget NPD was wrong in December,,,,,Now I think you can rest(I do like ninty ,not as much as you do though)