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iamdeath on 23 November 2013
TheSting said:
Darth Tigris said:
Exhibit A on how to suck the fun out of gaming ...



 

They damn sure are trying to. Don't want anyone to have fun with a system they obviously don't care for.Like ive said before some of these guys are getting paid to do this. Oh no the trees lol man. What's worse is I really don't think they know they are doing it. Sixth Sense kind of thing.

It's a thread about graphics.....lets not try to make it like it will take the industry down lol.... Nothing wrong with a discussion.  People like progress, whats the [point of a new console if there really isn't much of any?



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TheSting on 23 November 2013
iamdeath said:
TheSting said:
Darth Tigris said:
Exhibit A on how to suck the fun out of gaming ...



 

They damn sure are trying to. Don't want anyone to have fun with a system they obviously don't care for.Like ive said before some of these guys are getting paid to do this. Oh no the trees lol man. What's worse is I really don't think they know they are doing it. Sixth Sense kind of thing.

It's a thread about graphics.....lets not try to make it like it will take the industry down lol.... Nothing wrong with a discussion.  People like progress, whats the [point of a new console if there really isn't much of any?

I'm having fun with my inferior Xbox 360 just hooked up my Xbox One and it seems fun so far. That's why I'm in it man not to count a freaking pixel. The games I looked at and said wow it's a pretty game was Halo and Gears. I didn't marvel at the shit I kept playing. I didn't compare or pause and take pix. It's silly as hell to me. 

If I like a game I don't care about graphics. I'm not caring what's on the opposite console I'm not even going to buy or interested in. I still have fond memories of 64 4 player games the best. Literally no one I know cares about graphics like you guys argue to put down another console. It just seems petty to me and like you guys don't want the other guys to have fun. Isn't that a problem? Seriously? 



Ganoncrotch on 23 November 2013

That water effect without Forza 4's post processing looks terrible :S and Forza 4 even had Kinect support on the 360 meaning that some of the CPU was running Kinects OS as well as that beautiful game. This really is a shame given Forza's quality this past generation and the lack of content compared to the older games is just icing on a very very stale cake here.

I wouldn't be surprised to see GT6 being compared to this in a while and probably coming out neck and neck, the rough launch X1 simulator VS 7 years of squeezing every last pixel out of the CELL, will be cool to see them side by side.



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Normchacho on 23 November 2013
selnor1983 said:
iamdeath said:
selnor1983 said:
ethomaz said:

I just have something do say from a Simulator Racing fan.

You can't judge the DRIVING PHYSICS and the IMPULSE TRIGGERS in the same sentence... one just invalidates the other.

If the IMPULSE TRIGGERS are something that make you fell better on Forza 5 then you need to stop to play any simulator racing and start to play arcades racing.

But I know some guys that like the "rewind" feature and says they are simulator racing fans... contradictory.

A) I hav a family with 2 young children. I cant always set up my wheel.

B) Not everyone can afford it.  

Its pretty shallow to make the asumption you have.

he physiccs are  clearly in adifferent league to last gen. After extensive play tats obvious.


You cannot judge physics without  wheel...

 

Forza 5 doesnt even match GT5's physics let alone PC sims.. It is NOT a true sim it is a arcade sim hybrid..Gt6 with its new tire model, suspension, physics without aids is on par with the best PC sims, Forza is simply not even trying for that level of realism..It's why Despite forza doing some things better then GT in the past...Real sim fans but GT, its physics and handling, attention to detail, with every car handling like it should, are unmatched on console..GT6 is more nex gen then forza.

 

Sim sites reviewing Forza are disappointed for a reason.

Say what ever you think. I dont care. Ive played both. Forza 5's physics are way better. Forza 4 is the same. Its rubbish in comparison. Theres calcculations the old consoles simply cant do due to massively outdated hardware. 

Its all good. While you fight over last gen physics I'll just enjoy my xbox one. Best electronic device Ive  ever bought. 

Right Im off to bed. Just had a 5 hour sesion wit Killer Instinct and 6 mates. Was bloody awesome.Best fighter party since Soul Calibur 2. 

Night all.

Trying to judge physics without a wheel is like trying to read brail with boxing gloves on. No one is saying that the game needs to be ultra realistic for it to be good or fun. The game is fun, but without a wheel it is impossible to declare FM5 "realistic". I've said it before and I'll say it again, Forza 5 feels just like Forza 4 except the cars slide a bit more.

 

Edit: You keep bringing up these "calculations" without ever giving even a shred of evidence or even an example as to what you're talking about. I'm sorry but with nothing more than some P.R. fluff from Turn 10 I have to call B.S.



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iamdeath on 24 November 2013
Normchacho said:
selnor1983 said:
iamdeath said:
selnor1983 said:
ethomaz said:

I just have something do say from a Simulator Racing fan.

You can't judge the DRIVING PHYSICS and the IMPULSE TRIGGERS in the same sentence... one just invalidates the other.

If the IMPULSE TRIGGERS are something that make you fell better on Forza 5 then you need to stop to play any simulator racing and start to play arcades racing.

But I know some guys that like the "rewind" feature and says they are simulator racing fans... contradictory.

A) I hav a family with 2 young children. I cant always set up my wheel.

B) Not everyone can afford it.  

Its pretty shallow to make the asumption you have.

he physiccs are  clearly in adifferent league to last gen. After extensive play tats obvious.


You cannot judge physics without  wheel...

 

Forza 5 doesnt even match GT5's physics let alone PC sims.. It is NOT a true sim it is a arcade sim hybrid..Gt6 with its new tire model, suspension, physics without aids is on par with the best PC sims, Forza is simply not even trying for that level of realism..It's why Despite forza doing some things better then GT in the past...Real sim fans but GT, its physics and handling, attention to detail, with every car handling like it should, are unmatched on console..GT6 is more nex gen then forza.

 

Sim sites reviewing Forza are disappointed for a reason.

Say what ever you think. I dont care. Ive played both. Forza 5's physics are way better. Forza 4 is the same. Its rubbish in comparison. Theres calcculations the old consoles simply cant do due to massively outdated hardware. 

Its all good. While you fight over last gen physics I'll just enjoy my xbox one. Best electronic device Ive  ever bought. 

Right Im off to bed. Just had a 5 hour sesion wit Killer Instinct and 6 mates. Was bloody awesome.Best fighter party since Soul Calibur 2. 

Night all.

Trying to judge physics without a wheel is like trying to read brail with boxing gloves on. No one is saying that the game needs to be ultra realistic for it to be good or fun. The game is fun, but without a wheel it is impossible to declare FM5 "realistic". I've said it before and I'll say it again, Forza 5 feels just like Forza 4 except the cars slide a bit more.

 

Edit: You keep bringing up these "calculations" without ever giving even a shred of evidence or even an example as to what you're talking about. I'm sorry but with nothing more than some P.R. fluff from Turn 10 I have to call B.S.

Yep forza 5 physics are near identical to 4, and neither are really sim. Forza is a game that tries to be a sim and arcade. It's physics and handling are not on par with GT or PC sims, never were.



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Normchacho on 24 November 2013
iamdeath said:
Normchacho said:
selnor1983 said:
iamdeath said:
selnor1983 said:
ethomaz said:

I just have something do say from a Simulator Racing fan.

You can't judge the DRIVING PHYSICS and the IMPULSE TRIGGERS in the same sentence... one just invalidates the other.

If the IMPULSE TRIGGERS are something that make you fell better on Forza 5 then you need to stop to play any simulator racing and start to play arcades racing.

But I know some guys that like the "rewind" feature and says they are simulator racing fans... contradictory.

A) I hav a family with 2 young children. I cant always set up my wheel.

B) Not everyone can afford it.  

Its pretty shallow to make the asumption you have.

he physiccs are  clearly in adifferent league to last gen. After extensive play tats obvious.


You cannot judge physics without  wheel...

 

Forza 5 doesnt even match GT5's physics let alone PC sims.. It is NOT a true sim it is a arcade sim hybrid..Gt6 with its new tire model, suspension, physics without aids is on par with the best PC sims, Forza is simply not even trying for that level of realism..It's why Despite forza doing some things better then GT in the past...Real sim fans but GT, its physics and handling, attention to detail, with every car handling like it should, are unmatched on console..GT6 is more nex gen then forza.

 

Sim sites reviewing Forza are disappointed for a reason.

Say what ever you think. I dont care. Ive played both. Forza 5's physics are way better. Forza 4 is the same. Its rubbish in comparison. Theres calcculations the old consoles simply cant do due to massively outdated hardware. 

Its all good. While you fight over last gen physics I'll just enjoy my xbox one. Best electronic device Ive  ever bought. 

Right Im off to bed. Just had a 5 hour sesion wit Killer Instinct and 6 mates. Was bloody awesome.Best fighter party since Soul Calibur 2. 

Night all.

Trying to judge physics without a wheel is like trying to read brail with boxing gloves on. No one is saying that the game needs to be ultra realistic for it to be good or fun. The game is fun, but without a wheel it is impossible to declare FM5 "realistic". I've said it before and I'll say it again, Forza 5 feels just like Forza 4 except the cars slide a bit more.

 

Edit: You keep bringing up these "calculations" without ever giving even a shred of evidence or even an example as to what you're talking about. I'm sorry but with nothing more than some P.R. fluff from Turn 10 I have to call B.S.

Yep forza 5 physics are near identical to 4, and neither are really sim. Forza is a game that tries to be a sim and arcade. It's physics and handling are not on par with GT or PC sims, never were.

I'd like to make a correction, I should have added that you cannot really "feel" the physics of the game without a wheel. It is still possible to look at how a car moves and reacts and get a least a little bit of an idea of what they are like. Just thought I'd throw that out there.



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Ganoncrotch on 24 November 2013
iamdeath said:
Normchacho said:
selnor1983 said:
iamdeath said:
selnor1983 said:
ethomaz said:

I just have something do say from a Simulator Racing fan.

You can't judge the DRIVING PHYSICS and the IMPULSE TRIGGERS in the same sentence... one just invalidates the other.

If the IMPULSE TRIGGERS are something that make you fell better on Forza 5 then you need to stop to play any simulator racing and start to play arcades racing.

But I know some guys that like the "rewind" feature and says they are simulator racing fans... contradictory.

A) I hav a family with 2 young children. I cant always set up my wheel.

B) Not everyone can afford it.  

Its pretty shallow to make the asumption you have.

he physiccs are  clearly in adifferent league to last gen. After extensive play tats obvious.


You cannot judge physics without  wheel...

 

Forza 5 doesnt even match GT5's physics let alone PC sims.. It is NOT a true sim it is a arcade sim hybrid..Gt6 with its new tire model, suspension, physics without aids is on par with the best PC sims, Forza is simply not even trying for that level of realism..It's why Despite forza doing some things better then GT in the past...Real sim fans but GT, its physics and handling, attention to detail, with every car handling like it should, are unmatched on console..GT6 is more nex gen then forza.

 

Sim sites reviewing Forza are disappointed for a reason.

Say what ever you think. I dont care. Ive played both. Forza 5's physics are way better. Forza 4 is the same. Its rubbish in comparison. Theres calcculations the old consoles simply cant do due to massively outdated hardware. 

Its all good. While you fight over last gen physics I'll just enjoy my xbox one. Best electronic device Ive  ever bought. 

Right Im off to bed. Just had a 5 hour sesion wit Killer Instinct and 6 mates. Was bloody awesome.Best fighter party since Soul Calibur 2. 

Night all.

Trying to judge physics without a wheel is like trying to read brail with boxing gloves on. No one is saying that the game needs to be ultra realistic for it to be good or fun. The game is fun, but without a wheel it is impossible to declare FM5 "realistic". I've said it before and I'll say it again, Forza 5 feels just like Forza 4 except the cars slide a bit more.

 

Edit: You keep bringing up these "calculations" without ever giving even a shred of evidence or even an example as to what you're talking about. I'm sorry but with nothing more than some P.R. fluff from Turn 10 I have to call B.S.

Yep forza 5 physics are near identical to 4, and neither are really sim. Forza is a game that tries to be a sim and arcade. It's physics and handling are not on par with GT or PC sims, never were.


you should really check out the amount of work that went into the Sim aspects of forza 4, their tire information was compiled from months and months of research from perelli I think it was, they pretty much completely rewrote how the cars react with each changing grain of tarmac. It's a joy to play and the sound is second to none in terms of how they captured each engine.

edit this is just some of the Sound and images to ensure that it's perfect in terms of looks and sounds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy-NzRA_WlU

 

Edit 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f97h6zJL-_8 these guys love everything being as perfect as possible in their games. I should point out that I have a massive gaming hard on for forza 4 :D



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kabamarutr on 24 November 2013
Normchacho said:
ethomaz said:

I just have something do say from a Simulator Racing fan.

You can't judge the DRIVING PHYSICS and the IMPULSE TRIGGERS in the same sentence... one just invalidates the other.

If the IMPULSE TRIGGERS are something that make you fell better on Forza 5 then you need to stop to play any simulator racing and start to play arcades racing.

But I know some guys that like the "rewind" feature and says they are simulator racing fans... contradictory.


This. I love physics comparisons that are done without a proper wheel. I have put over two hours into Forza 5. The impulse triggers are neat but not really helpful...Also, Forza 5 is nnnoootttt a sim.

At last! A feedback on the game itself. Please, friend, share more. I do care about being duped by pre-launch presentations and announcements, but I would also like to know how the game feels as a racer.

Is there a relevant thread or something?



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selnor1983 on 24 November 2013
iamdeath said:
selnor1983 said:
iamdeath said:
selnor1983 said:
ethomaz said:

I just have something do say from a Simulator Racing fan.

You can't judge the DRIVING PHYSICS and the IMPULSE TRIGGERS in the same sentence... one just invalidates the other.

If the IMPULSE TRIGGERS are something that make you fell better on Forza 5 then you need to stop to play any simulator racing and start to play arcades racing.

But I know some guys that like the "rewind" feature and says they are simulator racing fans... contradictory.

A) I hav a family with 2 young children. I cant always set up my wheel.

B) Not everyone can afford it.  

Its pretty shallow to make the asumption you have.

he physiccs are  clearly in adifferent league to last gen. After extensive play tats obvious.


You cannot judge physics without  wheel...

 

Forza 5 doesnt even match GT5's physics let alone PC sims.. It is NOT a true sim it is a arcade sim hybrid..Gt6 with its new tire model, suspension, physics without aids is on par with the best PC sims, Forza is simply not even trying for that level of realism..It's why Despite forza doing some things better then GT in the past...Real sim fans but GT, its physics and handling, attention to detail, with every car handling like it should, are unmatched on console..GT6 is more nex gen then forza.

 

Sim sites reviewing Forza are disappointed for a reason.

Say what ever you think. I dont care. Ive played both. Forza 5's physics are way better. Forza 4 is the same. Its rubbish in comparison. Theres calcculations the old consoles simply cant do due to massively outdated hardware. 

Its all good. While you fight over last gen physics I'll just enjoy my xbox one. Best electronic device Ive  ever bought. 

Right Im off to bed. Just had a 5 hour sesion wit Killer Instinct and 6 mates. Was bloody awesome.Best fighter party since Soul Calibur 2. 

Night all.


That's simply false..Forza is not even a  sim compared to GT let alone PC sims.... Saying other games physics is rubbish, is well, about as real as the tooth fairy. Last gen physics are still vastly superior to forza's. No arguing, simple fact. I can drive many different cars in forza and they handle identical..... Every car in GT  has its own unique handling, it's why car sim fans flock to GT and not forza.

 

Your post on any racing or sim forum would be laughed off the internet.


Sorry mate. Racing s something Ive done. Sometbing ive been I  to for 24 years. I talk from experience of actually racing at speed. Clio cups, porche racing and some formula bmw open seaters ive driven. I compars it to the real thing. Ive driven silverstone , sp

Pa and hockenhiem before that I can compare. Forza 5 is giving alot more feedback than last gen sims. Also compared to real life gt has a very bad sense of speex. I dont know why, but driving at those speeds doesnt feel anything like that.

 

Also forza has more tuning options. As I understand what the changes do in real life there Re things missing last gen.

 

I dont care what some spotty kids on the net think they know. Youve not been around here that long. Any old hats here will tell you about me and racing. 

Anyways im of to watch the f1.  Not missed a race in 13 years. 

Enjoy your flaming everyone. Instead of trying to convert xbox gamers why arent you guys playing ps4? 

To xbox fans. Im working on a forza 5 racing league. Coming soon for vgchartz.



DonFerrari on 24 November 2013
iamdeath said:
selnor1983 said:
iamdeath said:
selnor1983 said:
ethomaz said:

I just have something do say from a Simulator Racing fan.

You can't judge the DRIVING PHYSICS and the IMPULSE TRIGGERS in the same sentence... one just invalidates the other.

If the IMPULSE TRIGGERS are something that make you fell better on Forza 5 then you need to stop to play any simulator racing and start to play arcades racing.

But I know some guys that like the "rewind" feature and says they are simulator racing fans... contradictory.

A) I hav a family with 2 young children. I cant always set up my wheel.

B) Not everyone can afford it.  

Its pretty shallow to make the asumption you have.

he physiccs are  clearly in adifferent league to last gen. After extensive play tats obvious.


You cannot judge physics without  wheel...

 

Forza 5 doesnt even match GT5's physics let alone PC sims.. It is NOT a true sim it is a arcade sim hybrid..Gt6 with its new tire model, suspension, physics without aids is on par with the best PC sims, Forza is simply not even trying for that level of realism..It's why Despite forza doing some things better then GT in the past...Real sim fans but GT, its physics and handling, attention to detail, with every car handling like it should, are unmatched on console..GT6 is more nex gen then forza.

 

Sim sites reviewing Forza are disappointed for a reason.

Say what ever you think. I dont care. Ive played both. Forza 5's physics are way better. Forza 4 is the same. Its rubbish in comparison. Theres calcculations the old consoles simply cant do due to massively outdated hardware. 

Its all good. While you fight over last gen physics I'll just enjoy my xbox one. Best electronic device Ive  ever bought. 

Right Im off to bed. Just had a 5 hour sesion wit Killer Instinct and 6 mates. Was bloody awesome.Best fighter party since Soul Calibur 2. 

Night all.


That's simply false..Forza is not even a  sim compared to GT let alone PC sims.... Saying other games physics is rubbish, is well, about as real as the tooth fairy. Last gen physics are still vastly superior to forza's. No arguing, simple fact. I can drive many different cars in forza and they handle identical..... Every car in GT  has its own unique handling, it's why car sim fans flock to GT and not forza.

 

Your post on any racing or sim forum would be laughed off the internet.

Don't bother... you will never have a good answer.



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