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Goatseye on 13 November 2013
cmeese47 said:
Resolution matters I can totally see a significant difference on my tv between 720 and 1080. If you cannot tell the difference you need a better or bigger tv.

While it is true for a real gamer resolution should not be a deal breaker the fact is a smart consumer prefers the better deal. A system with higher performance for a $100 less and better versions of the same games makes sense to me.

If you want a XBONE buy it for Forza, Ryse or Dead Rising but if you are buying one right now for multi-plats then you are making a mistake,

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Vasto on 13 November 2013
fatslob-:O said:
Vasto said:
fatslob-:O said:
Vasto said:
Both PS4 and Xbox One use custom GPU and CPU. Cant compare them to pc hardware.

Doesn't matter. They feature the same architectures as PCs so there won't be much of a difference in performance for a similarily spec'd PC. 

Link?

They both use x86 and they both also use GCN so no excuses! What are you getting so defensive about exactly ? All of the consoles are weak compared to your 7970 ghz edition so I see no need to damage control for either of the consoles. What's more is that the AMD mantle will close the gap even further. What's even worse is that microsoft is going to use directX for the X1 so it will be even closer than before. 

 

Yea, the both use X86 but that still does not mean they are the same as retail cpus. You cant compare something that is custum made to something thats stock.  I dont even think the NDA has been lifted to where peole can actually review the hardware in these consoles. I know what consoles are, been gaming since Atari 2600. Since the start I have never belived that better hardware means a better system when it comes to consoles. Its like saying the games with the best graphics are the best games. Gameplay is what matters most and graphics will never be better then gameplay.



fatslob-:O on 13 November 2013
Vasto said:
fatslob-:O said:
Vasto said:
fatslob-:O said:
Vasto said:
Both PS4 and Xbox One use custom GPU and CPU. Cant compare them to pc hardware.

Doesn't matter. They feature the same architectures as PCs so there won't be much of a difference in performance for a similarily spec'd PC. 

Link?

They both use x86 and they both also use GCN so no excuses! What are you getting so defensive about exactly ? All of the consoles are weak compared to your 7970 ghz edition so I see no need to damage control for either of the consoles. What's more is that the AMD mantle will close the gap even further. What's even worse is that microsoft is going to use directX for the X1 so it will be even closer than before. 

 

Yea, the both use X86 but that still does not mean they are the same as retail cpus. You cant compare something that is custum made to something thats stock.  I dont even think the NDA has been lifted to where peole can actually review the hardware in these consoles. I know what consoles are, been gaming since Atari 2600. Since the start I have never belived that better hardware means a better system when it comes to consoles. Its like saying the games with the best graphics are the best games. Gameplay is what matters most and graphics will never be better then gameplay.

Just so you know both of the consoles are using dogshit jaguar CPUs so they don't win in that department either. Just because something is custom made doesn't mean that their not comparable. Go ask Pemalite about it. He'll agree with me for the most part on this issue. 

Anyways agreed about software being more important for game consoles. 



Daisuke72 on 13 November 2013
yo_john117 said:
Daisuke72 said:
yo_john117 said:
Daisuke72 said:

The 7850 is considerably more powerful than the XBone's GPU, espescially when you factor in the fact kinect takes 10% of the GPU's resource, overclock the 7850 to 7870 level and the difference is vast. Not to mention the faster RAM my rig has, and arguably much faster processor, which can be overclocked as well. 

I'm not debating that aspect at all. What I'm saying is with that PC would you be able to reach Ryse level of graphics on it (and assumably significantly better since the games will only get better as the gen goes on)? I'm asking this partly because I don't know and partly because I've never seen a PC game reach the fidelity that the 360 has with comparable specs.

Console optimization is a lie for the most part. Thing is if you had a 8800GT you could run Bioshock infinite on low, 720P and get 20 - 30 FPS and it will look comparable to its console counterparts, yes optimization does play a role in it all. But it doesn't suddenly turn a 7770 into a 7850. The less cutdown version of the PS3's GPU could run multiplatform games fine with a Core2Duo, 4GB RAM, with it's limited 512MB VRAM.

 

And yes, a 7850 could run Ryse at 900P @ 30FPS. EASILY. An overclocked 7850 could give you it at 60FPS

Well then, consider me educated! I had no idea (probably mostly because I haven't had all that much experience with PC gaming).

Runs Crysis @ 1080P @ 38 FPS with 8xAF(Ryse doesn't have this) and this is how it performs before you overclock it, see that Radeon 7770 at the bottom? The Xbone has a very slighly better GPU than it, like very slightly so the benchmarks would be similair. The PS4's GPU is closer to a 7870, as you can see, the 7870 averages almost twice the framerate than the Xbone, and that doesn't account for Xbone's slow DDR3 RAM which would probably cripple the FPS to lower than the Radeon 7770 if you also take in account for the 10% Kinect takes up....



Vasto on 13 November 2013

You can only compare when you find out whats in it. That's why I said the NDA has not been lifted yet so right now we cant compare anything. Who is Pemalite?



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fatslob-:O on 13 November 2013
Daisuke72 said:
yo_john117 said:
Daisuke72 said:
yo_john117 said:
Daisuke72 said:

The 7850 is considerably more powerful than the XBone's GPU, espescially when you factor in the fact kinect takes 10% of the GPU's resource, overclock the 7850 to 7870 level and the difference is vast. Not to mention the faster RAM my rig has, and arguably much faster processor, which can be overclocked as well. 

I'm not debating that aspect at all. What I'm saying is with that PC would you be able to reach Ryse level of graphics on it (and assumably significantly better since the games will only get better as the gen goes on)? I'm asking this partly because I don't know and partly because I've never seen a PC game reach the fidelity that the 360 has with comparable specs.

Console optimization is a lie for the most part. Thing is if you had a 8800GT you could run Bioshock infinite on low, 720P and get 20 - 30 FPS and it will look comparable to its console counterparts, yes optimization does play a role in it all. But it doesn't suddenly turn a 7770 into a 7850. The less cutdown version of the PS3's GPU could run multiplatform games fine with a Core2Duo, 4GB RAM, with it's limited 512MB VRAM.

 

And yes, a 7850 could run Ryse at 900P @ 30FPS. EASILY. An overclocked 7850 could give you it at 60FPS

Well then, consider me educated! I had no idea (probably mostly because I haven't had all that much experience with PC gaming).

Runs Crysis @ 1080P @ 38 FPS with 8xAF(Ryse doesn't have this) and this is how it performs before you overclock it, see that Radeon 7770 at the bottom? The Xbone has a very slighly better GPU than it, like very slightly so the benchmarks would be similair. The PS4's GPU is closer to a 7870, as you can see, the 7870 averages almost twice the resolution than the Xbone, and that doesn't account for Xbone's slow DDR3 RAM which would probably cripple the FPS to lower than the Radeon 7770 if you also take in account for the 10% Kinect takes up....

Well you definitely surprised some people here. I think you've embarassed yo_john enough here.



cmeese47 on 13 November 2013
Goatseye said:
cmeese47 said:
Resolution matters I can totally see a significant difference on my tv between 720 and 1080. If you cannot tell the difference you need a better or bigger tv.

While it is true for a real gamer resolution should not be a deal breaker the fact is a smart consumer prefers the better deal. A system with higher performance for a $100 less and better versions of the same games makes sense to me.

If you want a XBONE buy it for Forza, Ryse or Dead Rising but if you are buying one right now for multi-plats then you are making a mistake,

NBA 2k14 1080p 60fps on both consoles

True and if you are buying a system for NBA 2k14 then it makes sense to save 100 dollars and go with the PS4. Basic economics.



fatslob-:O on 13 November 2013
Vasto said:

You can only compare when you find out whats in it. That's why I said the NDA has not been lifted yet so right now we cant compare anything. Who is Pemalite?

An extremely educated PC enthusiast if y'know what I mean.  (Dudes waaaaay more educated than I am LOL.) 

I would consider him to be authority about hardware knowledge around here. 



yo_john117 on 13 November 2013
Daisuke72 said:
yo_john117 said:
Daisuke72 said:

Console optimization is a lie for the most part. Thing is if you had a 8800GT you could run Bioshock infinite on low, 720P and get 20 - 30 FPS and it will look comparable to its console counterparts, yes optimization does play a role in it all. But it doesn't suddenly turn a 7770 into a 7850. The less cutdown version of the PS3's GPU could run multiplatform games fine with a Core2Duo, 4GB RAM, with it's limited 512MB VRAM.

 

And yes, a 7850 could run Ryse at 900P @ 30FPS. EASILY. An overclocked 7850 could give you it at 60FPS

Well then, consider me educated! I had no idea (probably mostly because I haven't had all that much experience with PC gaming).

 

Runs Crysis @ 1080P @ 38 FPS with 8xAF(Ryse doesn't have this) and this is how it performs before you overclock it, see that Radeon 7770 at the bottom? The Xbone has a very slighly better GPU than it, like very slightly so the benchmarks would be similair. The PS4's GPU is closer to a 7870, as you can see, the 7870 averages almost twice the resolution than the Xbone, and that doesn't account for Xbone's slow DDR3 RAM which would probably cripple the FPS to lower than the Radeon 7770 if you also take in account for the 10% Kinect takes up....

I guess the main reason why I thought that way was because I owned this laptop for a while (but with a lower grade graphics card...a GTX 650M) and bought The Witcher 2 and it could barely play the game on low (anything above that would result in terrible FPS) and playing it on the 360 it looked a good deal better than the PC version on low despite that laptop absolutely blowing the 360 out of the water. My cousin also got that laptop for a while and had the same problems with it so I don't know what was going on with that.



Daisuke72 on 13 November 2013
yo_john117 said:
Daisuke72 said:
yo_john117 said:
Daisuke72 said:

Console optimization is a lie for the most part. Thing is if you had a 8800GT you could run Bioshock infinite on low, 720P and get 20 - 30 FPS and it will look comparable to its console counterparts, yes optimization does play a role in it all. But it doesn't suddenly turn a 7770 into a 7850. The less cutdown version of the PS3's GPU could run multiplatform games fine with a Core2Duo, 4GB RAM, with it's limited 512MB VRAM.

 

And yes, a 7850 could run Ryse at 900P @ 30FPS. EASILY. An overclocked 7850 could give you it at 60FPS

Well then, consider me educated! I had no idea (probably mostly because I haven't had all that much experience with PC gaming).

 

Runs Crysis @ 1080P @ 38 FPS with 8xAF(Ryse doesn't have this) and this is how it performs before you overclock it, see that Radeon 7770 at the bottom? The Xbone has a very slighly better GPU than it, like very slightly so the benchmarks would be similair. The PS4's GPU is closer to a 7870, as you can see, the 7870 averages almost twice the resolution than the Xbone, and that doesn't account for Xbone's slow DDR3 RAM which would probably cripple the FPS to lower than the Radeon 7770 if you also take in account for the 10% Kinect takes up....

I guess the main reason why I thought that way was because I owned this laptop for a while (but with a lower grade graphics card...a GTX 650M) and bought The Witcher 2 and it could barely play the game on low (anything above that would result in terrible FPS) and playing it on the 360 it looked a good deal better than the PC version on low despite that laptop absolutely blowing the 360 out of the water. My cousin also got that laptop for a while and had the same problems with it so I don't know what was going on with that.


did you render the game at 720P?