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Words Of Wisdom said:
Bodhesatva said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
Spore is going on every current platform. It's going to be crap.

What, uh, gives you that impression? Because it clearly isn't Wil Wright's previous work.

And yes, I fully expect this game to land on the PS360 at some point in time, but I also expect the PCWiiDS to get the game first.


1) I do not like the Sims and that's an understatement.


You're welcome to not like the Sims, but that isn't how you stated your post, and it's precisely why I responded as such. You did not say "I think it's going to be crap" or "Personally I won't like it," which would have made your position significantly more clear. But given that The Sims recieved universal critical acclaim and is one of (if not the) best selling game in the last decade, it's quite clear that many people disagree with you.   

Objective discussion of a game's value is possible, I believe, but this isn't a game that objectively scores like "crap" by any standard we might use, be it public, critical, or financial standards. 



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naznatips said:
Words Of Wisdom said:

2) Consider all the things that make a development cycle longer. Consider how the majority of those things are negative. This is a game that was really hyped some time ago. It had articles in a lot of magazines and the like. People were excited. Then it dropped off the face of the earth. Now maybe they've spent that time making this game so amazingly brilliant and so amazingly efficiently programmed that you could run it on an electrified potato... or maybe they spent all that time hitting snags, walls, restarting, throwing out useless code, going back to the drawing board with new ideas...etc.

You may look forward to playing Spore on an electrified potato, but I'll wait for reality to nip this rumor in the spud (woo pun!).


Try reading what Will says about why it's taking so long. http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/levelup/archive/2008/02/12/exclusive-will-wright-on-why-spore-is-taking-so-long-and-much-more-part-ii.aspx

If delaying games for long periods of time made them bad, Nintendo would have never made a good game. Funny how most of their delayed games (OoT, SMG, SSBB) turn out to be some of the greatest they've ever made.


Your comparison is flawed.  You're comparing a buggy game to a non-buggy delayed game.  You should be comparing a bug-free game on time to a delayed game.

Delaying games doesn't make them good.

Is there a specific part of the page you linked to I should read.  I skimmed it and didn't see a clear explanation other than "we're putting a lot of stuff into this."  In reality, I wouldn't expect interviews to reflect reality behind the scenes anyway.  Companies don't advertise their failings or problems, it's usually bad for business.



@ Words of Wisdom

You really don't like the sims? Aww...

But I do agree that this wil be coming to all platforms. Even the PSP!



naznatips said:

Finally, he says that the Wii is the most signifficant thing that's happened to consoles in a while... not only praising it, but inversely calling the other 2 consoles insignifficantEverything about this interview implies that Will Wright considers the PS3 and 360 to be insignifficant platforms with little meaning to the current industry. 


I won't bother to comment on the rest of your post because as I suspected you're making leaps of logic.  For example you think calling something "most significant" means that the others things it's being compared to are being called "insignificant" which is wrong.  It would be like someone saying "Moscow is the most expensive city to live in" and then me implying that the person is saying that all other cities are cheap to live in.  Would you agree with that?  No?  Well that's the kind of logic you're using.  You're making claims that simply aren't there.



Bodhesatva said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
Bodhesatva said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
Spore is going on every current platform. It's going to be crap.

What, uh, gives you that impression? Because it clearly isn't Wil Wright's previous work.

And yes, I fully expect this game to land on the PS360 at some point in time, but I also expect the PCWiiDS to get the game first.


1) I do not like the Sims and that's an understatement.


You're welcome to not like the Sims, but that isn't how you stated your post, and it's precisely why I responded as such. You did not say "I think it's going to be crap" or "Personally I won't like it," which would have made your position significantly more clear. But given that The Sims recieved universal critical acclaim and is one of (if not the) best selling game in the last decade, it's quite clear that many people disagree with you.

Objective discussion of a game's value is possible, I believe, but this isn't a game that objectively scores like "crap" by any standard we might use, be it public, critical, or financial standards.


If I state something without proof and you wish to assume I am stating a fact, you do so at your own risk.

However I will say that high quality and great sales, while not unrelated, are not directly related.  One does not necessitate the other.  Therefore sales is not a a defining factor of quality.

Popularity is also not necessarily an indicator.  Beanie Babies were popular as well.  Does that make them quality?

True objectivity in a qualitative discussion is a farce.  Asking for it is asking for disappointment.



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Legend11 said:

I won't bother to comment on the rest of your post because as I suspected you're making leaps of logic. For example you think calling something "most significant" means that the others things it's being compared to are being called "insignificant" which is wrong. It would be like someone saying "Moscow is the most expensive city to live in" and then me implying that the person is saying that all other cities are cheap to live in. Would you agree with that? No? Well that's the kind of logic you're using. You're making claims that simply are there when you "break it down". You wouldn't even have to "break it down" had the claims you made actually been true.


Well, I'll admit the last part was a bit more of a stretch, but the first part hardly was. I had to break it down because clearly you didn't comprehend what you read, nor did you understand that he had a very low opinion of these consoles. I did it for your benefit, not because everyone needs it broken down to understand it. Calling something "The same game with incremental improvements" and saying it "collects dust" and isn't played is a very clearly statement of low opinion. Sorry to burst your bubble.



Although development has never been confirmed for the other consoles, the hints of possible crossplatform has been going for awhile

 



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Words Of Wisdom said:
Bodhesatva said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
Bodhesatva said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
Spore is going on every current platform. It's going to be crap.

What, uh, gives you that impression? Because it clearly isn't Wil Wright's previous work.

And yes, I fully expect this game to land on the PS360 at some point in time, but I also expect the PCWiiDS to get the game first.


1) I do not like the Sims and that's an understatement.


You're welcome to not like the Sims, but that isn't how you stated your post, and it's precisely why I responded as such. You did not say "I think it's going to be crap" or "Personally I won't like it," which would have made your position significantly more clear. But given that The Sims recieved universal critical acclaim and is one of (if not the) best selling game in the last decade, it's quite clear that many people disagree with you.

Objective discussion of a game's value is possible, I believe, but this isn't a game that objectively scores like "crap" by any standard we might use, be it public, critical, or financial standards.


If I state something without proof and you wish to assume I am stating a fact, you do so at your own risk.

However I will say that high quality and great sales, while not unrelated, are not directly related. One does not necessitate the other. Therefore sales is not a a defining factor of quality.

Popularity is also not necessarily an indicator. Beanie Babies were popular as well. Does that make them quality?


Which is why I did not rely solely upon popularity. I relied upon:

1) Popularity
2) Critical reception
3) Profitability

If you'd like, you could also add "longevity" or staying power, in the vein of literature (where some books fade into insignificance within months of their release, while others have remained relevant for centuries). Given that The Sims is still seeing spin offs and imitators and is still selling well to this day (or, The Sims 2 is, and EA has even created a "Sims" wing of development), it's quite clear that The Sims rates very highly by all 4 standards.



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Bodhesatva said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
Bodhesatva said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
Bodhesatva said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
Spore is going on every current platform. It's going to be crap.

What, uh, gives you that impression? Because it clearly isn't Wil Wright's previous work.

And yes, I fully expect this game to land on the PS360 at some point in time, but I also expect the PCWiiDS to get the game first.


1) I do not like the Sims and that's an understatement.


You're welcome to not like the Sims, but that isn't how you stated your post, and it's precisely why I responded as such. You did not say "I think it's going to be crap" or "Personally I won't like it," which would have made your position significantly more clear. But given that The Sims recieved universal critical acclaim and is one of (if not the) best selling game in the last decade, it's quite clear that many people disagree with you.

Objective discussion of a game's value is possible, I believe, but this isn't a game that objectively scores like "crap" by any standard we might use, be it public, critical, or financial standards.


If I state something without proof and you wish to assume I am stating a fact, you do so at your own risk.

However I will say that high quality and great sales, while not unrelated, are not directly related. One does not necessitate the other. Therefore sales is not a a defining factor of quality.

Popularity is also not necessarily an indicator. Beanie Babies were popular as well. Does that make them quality?


Which is why I did not rely solely upon popularity. I relied upon:

1) Popularity
2) Critical reception
3) Profitability

If you'd like, you could also add "longevity" or staying power, in the vein of literature (where some books fade into insignificance within months of their release, while others have remained relevant for centuries). Given that The Sims is still seeing spin offs and imitators and is still selling well to this day (or, The Sims 2 is, and EA has even created a "Sims" wing of development), it's quite clear that The Sims rates very highly by all 4 standards.


I agree.  It does rate highly across that spectrum.  If that is your definition of quality that's fine.  I'm not going to tell you what your definition of quality should or shouldn't be.  ^_~



naznatips said:
Legend11 said:

I won't bother to comment on the rest of your post because as I suspected you're making leaps of logic. For example you think calling something "most significant" means that the others things it's being compared to are being called "insignificant" which is wrong. It would be like someone saying "Moscow is the most expensive city to live in" and then me implying that the person is saying that all other cities are cheap to live in. Would you agree with that? No? Well that's the kind of logic you're using. You're making claims that simply are there when you "break it down". You wouldn't even have to "break it down" had the claims you made actually been true.


Well, I'll admit the last part was a bit more of a stretch, but the first part hardly was. I had to break it down because clearly you didn't comprehend what you read, nor did you understand that he had a very low opinion of these consoles. I did it for your benefit, not because everyone needs it broken down to understand it. Calling something "The same game with incremental improvements" and saying it "collects dust" and isn't played is a very clearly statement of low opinion. Sorry to burst your bubble.


I understood exactly what Will Wright was saying that's the reason why I questioned the claims you made.  I'm not going to bother to argue anymore since I feel I made my point.