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Landguy said:
theprof00 said:
I want whatever you're smoking.
Cell phones are nowhere near close to putting out the same level of power as a console.


The power of the Cell phone has more than doubled every year for the past 4 years.  So, 4-5 years from now, the will probably have more than enough power to handle most games.

With that said/ I wasn't speaking only to smartphones, I was also talking about tablets.

yeah in theory that is right.

But they are at their limit currently they cant improve it anymore while maintaining the size.

But the more important issue is the battery, there isnt a batery that would last long enough.



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Cell phone power may have quickly improved but I see it slowing down here very soon. You will not be seeing phones replace consoles in 4 or 5 years time. Handhelds? Maybe. There are too many hurdles right now in getting similar power into a cell phone or tablet as you can get in consoles and most definitely PCs. Such a prediction would be more believable if it was 15 years or more away and assuming certain breakthroughs occurred.



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Landguy said:
theprof00 said:
I want whatever you're smoking.
Cell phones are nowhere near close to putting out the same level of power as a console.


The power of the Cell phone has more than doubled every year for the past 4 years.  So, 4-5 years from now, the will probably have more than enough power to handle most games.

With that said/ I wasn't speaking only to smartphones, I was also talking about tablets.

If the amount of power in the ps3 or 360 could be fit into the size of a phone on top of battery and speakers, why don't we have ps360 slims the size of iphones?

Protip: Phones cannot even emulate ps2. The best they can do right now? psp level.

Mobile SoC GPU Comparison
  PowerVR SGX 543MP2 PowerVR SGX 543MP4 PowerVR SGX 544MP3 PowerVR SGX 554MP4
Used In A5 A5X Exynos 5 Octa A6X
SIMD Name USSE2 USSE2 USSE2 USSE2
# of SIMDs 8 16 12 32
MADs per SIMD 4 4 4 4
Total MADs 32 64 48 128
GFLOPS @ Shipping Frequency 16.0 GFLOPS 32.0 GFLOPS 51.1 GFLOPS 71.6 GFLOPS

The samsung galaxy s4 uses the bolded. 51.1 Gigaflops.

The ps4?

1.8 TERAflops. That's more than 35 times more powerful.

PS3 is 215 Gigaflops. Still 4 times more powerful.

Ps2 is 6 Gigaflops. The most expensive brand new most powerful phone is less than 10x stronger than a console designed over a decade ago, and outclassed by a console made almost 8 years ago.



I'd see Nintendo partnering with service provider to make it's own tablet before selling out to Disney within the next four or five years. Come on, man.



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You're right and wrong.

Console wars are ending, but not due to phones. Its a paradigm shift.

I've been a big proponent that Android/iOS will push big into console gaming space and we've already seen that to some extent. I mean just look at ballooning budgets for mobile gaming amongst 3rd parties. The tech is there and growing quickly. Vita's power was surpassed in a year. Some out now are as powerful as PS360 and closing in on Wii U. So yes, by 2015 its definitely possible there will exist phone/tablets that are close to XB1/PS4.

However, like 3DS easily co-existing with phones/tablets; so will "consoles".

I stated this would happen over a year ago in various threads I created. This is why I was right and why XB1/PS4/Wii U have so much focus on non-gaming aspects, especially XB1. They are adapting to this ecosystem where they will require full media/entertainment/application support. Where gaming is simply one segment of the experience. This is also why Steam is putting out steamboxes, they need to move out of PC space to front room to remain viable.

By 2015 there will be these relatively simply to setup and use entertainment boxes connected to TVs from just about every major vendor as possible. Google, Apple, MS, Valve, Sony, Samsung... etc will all have one based on their particular flavor of OS and market offerings. Google/Samsung and to a minor extent will all use Android. Likely Valve, being Linux based, will utilize Google Play store too for apps and games it doesn't already sell directly.

Of course MSony will use their XB1/PS4 to meet these needs at first.

Nintendo is combating this by unifying their home and portable business. They are not an all entertainment company. Thus they will combine their hardware into essentially a single type of device that will remain cost effective but due to increases in mobile tech, will have fantastic visuals ahead of XB1 capabilities. So they will remain relevant, just as all these "consoles" will.

Of course it will now be less of a game console war and more of an entertainment option war where the digital storefront and UI experience / connection to your smartphone will be paramount.

 

EDIT: When I speak of mobile, I mean a lot more than phones. You have tablets/chromebooks and in particular to this topic I mean the TV connected devices.



You really think that in just 5 years the smartphone and tablet market will drive consoles out of business? I think this will be the last generation of handheld gaming only devices, but the market for home consoles have grown and will probably continue to grow this generation. I hope we see tablets becoming as powerful as the current consoles/pc but I don't see that happening for maybe 10 years+. And even then it's not as if the power inside computers/consoles will cease to grow - they will grow also and the gap will widen still.

And even with controllers, the small size of tablets will prevent it from being the gaming hub that t.v.'s and computers are. I suspect that computers as we know them will cease to exist. We're probably going to have t.v., pc, tablet hybrids, but that is not gonna be in the mainstream in less than a decade.

"Now, 4gb of ram is the norm for the better phones/tablets.  The presence of even better GPU’s in these systems allow for many of the PS360 games to be ported to the phones and tablets with ease." Again, I seriously doubt that will happen in the timeframe you've given; my phone can barely run a DS emulator without turning into an oven and chugging through at less than 10fps and its specs are much more powerful than the DS's.

Also lol'd at power of the cloud. As long as we're getting screwed by internet providers with shit speeds and caps and internet is not universal (as in everyone has to get it) that's not gonna happen.



theprof00 said:
Landguy said:
theprof00 said:
I want whatever you're smoking.
Cell phones are nowhere near close to putting out the same level of power as a console.


The power of the Cell phone has more than doubled every year for the past 4 years.  So, 4-5 years from now, the will probably have more than enough power to handle most games.

With that said/ I wasn't speaking only to smartphones, I was also talking about tablets.

If the amount of power in the ps3 or 360 could be fit into the size of a phone on top of battery and speakers, why don't we have ps360 slims the size of iphones?

Protip: Phones cannot even emulate ps2. The best they can do right now? psp level.

Mobile SoC GPU Comparison
  PowerVR SGX 543MP2 PowerVR SGX 543MP4 PowerVR SGX 544MP3 PowerVR SGX 554MP4
Used In A5 A5X Exynos 5 Octa A6X
SIMD Name USSE2 USSE2 USSE2 USSE2
# of SIMDs 8 16 12 32
MADs per SIMD 4 4 4 4
Total MADs 32 64 48 128
GFLOPS @ Shipping Frequency 16.0 GFLOPS 32.0 GFLOPS 51.1 GFLOPS 71.6 GFLOPS

The samsung galaxy s4 uses the bolded. 51.1 Gigaflops.

The ps4?

1.8 TERAflops. That's more than 35 times more powerful.

PS3 is 215 Gigaflops. Still 4 times more powerful.

Ps2 is 6 Gigaflops. The most expensive brand new most powerful phone is less than 10x stronger than a console designed over a decade ago, and outclassed by a console made almost 8 years ago.

I didn't say that todays cell phones could do this.  I was speaking of the cell phones coming out in the fall of 2015(2 years from now).  You are comparing something that isn't relevent - emulators.  I never said that the games would be run on emulators, I said they could be ported to them.  If you look at the A7 processor found in the latest Iphone, it is using a 64 bit architecture and is quite powerful.  Is it PS360 powerful?  No.  But 2 years from now is a different story.



It is near the end of the end....

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Figgycal said:

You really think that in just 5 years the smartphone and tablet market will drive consoles out of business? I think this will be the last generation of handheld gaming only devices, but the market for home consoles have grown and will probably continue to grow this generation. I hope we see tablets becoming as powerful as the current consoles/pc but I don't see that happening for maybe 10 years+. And even then it's not as if the power inside computers/consoles will cease to grow - they will grow also and the gap will widen still.

And even with controllers, the small size of tablets will prevent it from being the gaming hub that t.v.'s and computers are. I suspect that computers as we know them will cease to exist. We're probably going to have t.v., pc, tablet hybrids, but that is not gonna happen in less than a decade.

"Now, 4gb of ram is the norm for the better phones/tablets.  The presence of even better GPU’s in these systems allow for many of the PS360 games to be ported to the phones and tablets with ease." Again, I seriously doubt that will happen in the timeframe you've given; my phone can barely run a DS emulator without turning into an oven and chugging through at less than 10fps and its specs are much more powerful than the DS's.

Also lol'd at power of the cloud. As long as we're getting screwed by internet providers with shit speeds and caps and internet is not universal (as in everyone has to get it) that's not gonna happen.

If you go back the the original post, I clearly talk about connecting the tablets and smartphones to the TV.  So your worry of playing on the 7-10 inch screen is not there.

Also, in the original post you will find that you can buy a tablet today that is more powerful than the PS4 or XB1.  Of course it is crazy expensive.  But, as with all electronics, the price is coming down rapidly.

Again, if you read the original post, you will see that the power of the cloud will not really impact things too much for 4-5 years, and even then it will be more about storage than power.

The power in consoles has already ceased to grow.  The minute they finalise the units, the power in the XB1 and PS4 stay static until another console comes out.



It is near the end of the end....