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Slade6alpha said:
What Sony needs to save the Vita is dedication... more than anything else. I don't think JRPGs would save the Vita. Look at Tales of, and all those other niche games. What it needs are exclusives from Sony's BIG franchise. Like an exclusive Infamous, God of War, Gran Turismo. It also needs big name franchises from key 3rd parties. Monster Hunter was huge on PSP, but that ship may be gone. What about GTA? Final Fantasy? It mainly needs support.

What do you mean?  None of the Tales of games have been localized so we can't look at those sales.  



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eFKac said:
kupomogli said:
eFKac said:
I think you really overestimate the importance of Japanese games for the Western audience, where the Vita struggles the most. It already has a lot of different kinds from biggermąkę les to totally niche stuff that has been localised and it didn't light up the charts.
You say the Persona 4 Golden is the 4th best selling game on the Vita, that's true. But without Japanese sales how high would it be?

Ragnarok Odyssey sucks and it's sold just as many copies in the west as it has in Japan. Persona 4 The Golden has sold 210,000 in the west while selling 270,000 in Japan.  Both Gravity Rush and Metal Gear Solid HD Collection sold over twice as much in the west than they did in Japan.  Disgaea 3 has sold about the same(slightly more in the west.)  Those are just a few examples.

Really.  The difference in sales between Japanese releases on the Vita really aren't that different.  It atleast proves that people in the west do buy Vita games, sometimes, a lot of the time if you add western releases, more than the same games sell in Japan.


That was not my point. I'm not saying that those games sold poorly compared to sales in Japan. What I'm saying is, no Japanese game outsold Resistance Burning Skies.

If it's not Final Fantasy, it will not make

Actually all the games he listed except MGS HD Collection outsold Resistance Burning Skies, even if you only look at NA sales.



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eFKac said:

Like how they are doing it? Like giving us some random ports of old games like Spider Man (when the second one just got announced without Vita as a platform) or BL2? No that won't help. If they could get a steady stream of the biggest multiplat franchises with some Vita specific functions every year (sports, racing, Ass Creed, CoD, whatever comes out this generation) then I could see that definitely helping the Vita, being finally a good option to choose for gaming outside of your home. We know that this won't happen though. 

Overall I think that it is a lose-lose situation and Vita is in a hole so deep that only a scenario that small44 came up with could really make things up for the Vita in the West. So maybe yeah localising the Japanese stuff is the better choice all things considered, cause it's better to keep your niche but dedicated audience happy than not having a dedicated audience at all. Having random gamers who might buy it for a couple of exclusives and sell the device afterwards. But localising Japanese games definitely won't make Vita a success in the West imo.

Well considering all PS4 games can be streamed to Vita what you described would only work for the next couple years and considering this would take time to actually accomplish there really is no point in even trying imo.  When the PS3 is gone there will be no more multiplatform games released on the Vita so the only games coming will be either made by Sony, Japanese games getting localized or western third parties, which I think will be very rare.  Sony should be making connections with these Japanese developers for localizations now because in the near future that is gonna be all Sony has besides their own games.



KingdomHeartsFan said:
eFKac said:
kupomogli said:
eFKac said:
I think you really overestimate the importance of Japanese games for the Western audience, where the Vita struggles the most. It already has a lot of different kinds from biggermąkę les to totally niche stuff that has been localised and it didn't light up the charts.
You say the Persona 4 Golden is the 4th best selling game on the Vita, that's true. But without Japanese sales how high would it be?

Ragnarok Odyssey sucks and it's sold just as many copies in the west as it has in Japan. Persona 4 The Golden has sold 210,000 in the west while selling 270,000 in Japan.  Both Gravity Rush and Metal Gear Solid HD Collection sold over twice as much in the west than they did in Japan.  Disgaea 3 has sold about the same(slightly more in the west.)  Those are just a few examples.

Really.  The difference in sales between Japanese releases on the Vita really aren't that different.  It atleast proves that people in the west do buy Vita games, sometimes, a lot of the time if you add western releases, more than the same games sell in Japan.


That was not my point. I'm not saying that those games sold poorly compared to sales in Japan. What I'm saying is, no Japanese game outsold Resistance Burning Skies.

If it's not Final Fantasy, it will not make

Actually all the games he listed except MGS HD Collection outsold Resistance Burning Skies, even if you only look at NA sales.


Why would we be looking at NA only? Really did Disgaea 3, Persona 4 and Ragnarok sell over 240k copies like Resistance did? And remember not to count Japan sales, cause we're talking about the purpose of localisation.



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eFKac said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:

Actually all the games he listed except MGS HD Collection outsold Resistance Burning Skies, even if you only look at NA sales.


Why would we be looking at NA only? Really did Disgaea 3, Persona 4 and Ragnarok sell over 240k copies like Resistance did? And remember not to count Japan sales, cause we're talking about the purpose of localisation.

Because Ragnarok did not release in Europe or was not tracked on VGC so its not fair to compare Resistance NA+Europe sales to Ragnorak's only NA sales.  All those games outsold Resistance in NA and with the exception of Ragnorak, they outsold NA+Europe sales.  Also its not fair to bring up Disgaea 3 since it was sold on the PS3 years before it released on the Vita and yet it still managed to sell 100k+ sales in NA+Europe.



KingdomHeartsFan said:
eFKac said:

Like how they are doing it? Like giving us some random ports of old games like Spider Man (when the second one just got announced without Vita as a platform) or BL2? No that won't help. If they could get a steady stream of the biggest multiplat franchises with some Vita specific functions every year (sports, racing, Ass Creed, CoD, whatever comes out this generation) then I could see that definitely helping the Vita, being finally a good option to choose for gaming outside of your home. We know that this won't happen though. 

Overall I think that it is a lose-lose situation and Vita is in a hole so deep that only a scenario that small44 came up with could really make things up for the Vita in the West. So maybe yeah localising the Japanese stuff is the better choice all things considered, cause it's better to keep your niche but dedicated audience happy than not having a dedicated audience at all. Having random gamers who might buy it for a couple of exclusives and sell the device afterwards. But localising Japanese games definitely won't make Vita a success in the West imo.

Well considering all PS4 games can be streamed to Vita what you described would only work for the next couple years and considering this would take time to actually accomplish there really is no point in even trying imo.  When the PS3 is gone there will be no more multiplatform games released on the Vita so the only games coming will be either made by Sony, Japanese games getting localized or western third parties, which I think will be very rare.  Sony should be making connections with these Japanese developers for localizations now because in the near future that is gonna be all Sony has besides their own games.


Yeah probably you're right. That's why I am saying for a couple of months now that Vita is FUBAR in the West. Remote Play might help shift a few consoles plus I think Sony will try to get a few exclusives for the Vita from western developers, when the PS4 establishes itself but it's already too late imo. 

It's already labeled as having no games, being overpriced, with expensive memory cards. Smartphones will shortly have games that will be crappy to play but better looking and for ten bucks tops, which is what people care for.



So it is happening...PS4 preorder.

Greatness Awaits!

KingdomHeartsFan said:
Slade6alpha said:
What Sony needs to save the Vita is dedication... more than anything else. I don't think JRPGs would save the Vita. Look at Tales of, and all those other niche games. What it needs are exclusives from Sony's BIG franchise. Like an exclusive Infamous, God of War, Gran Turismo. It also needs big name franchises from key 3rd parties. Monster Hunter was huge on PSP, but that ship may be gone. What about GTA? Final Fantasy? It mainly needs support.

What do you mean?  None of the Tales of games have been localized so we can't look at those sales.  

Like another user said, I think you're overestimating JRPGs like Tales of, and other niche games too much. I highly doubt those games would sell much better over here. The Vita needs more Western focused games.



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KingdomHeartsFan said:
eFKac said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:

Actually all the games he listed except MGS HD Collection outsold Resistance Burning Skies, even if you only look at NA sales.


Why would we be looking at NA only? Really did Disgaea 3, Persona 4 and Ragnarok sell over 240k copies like Resistance did? And remember not to count Japan sales, cause we're talking about the purpose of localisation.

Because Ragnarok did not release in Europe or was not tracked on VGC so its not fair to compare Resistance NA+Europe sales to Ragnorak's only NA sales.  All those games outsold Resistance in NA and with the exception of Ragnorak, they outsold NA+Europe sales.  Also its not fair to bring up Disgaea 3 since it was sold on the PS3 years before it released on the Vita and yet it still managed to sell 100k+ sales in NA+Europe.


Yeah the situation overall is very unfair for the Vita, or is it? I'm on mobile so it's hard to check numbers all the time but I'm pretty sure you're wrong or cherry picking, not counting Rest of the World numbers etc. Maybe Ragnarok wasn't released in Europe cause publisher thought there is no market for it? 

Anyway Resistance is just a placeholder, don't fixate on it. I just wanted to point out how you manipulated by choosing Persona 4 to validate your opinion, saying it's 4th seller on the Vita, while no Japanese game (iirc) with sales outside of Japan only would be in Vita's top ten.



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KingdomHeartsFan said:

So what is the one thing the 3DS has that the Vita doesn't?  A consistant flow of new games.  Indies are nice and all, but they will have little to no impact on sales, it needs actual retail games.  I'm not gonna say Sony needs to start making a ton of Vita games because all their studios are busy with the PS4 and I have no idea how many are capable of developing both at the same time, but seriously all Sony needs to do is start localizing the dozens of Vita games in Japan and they will get that consistant flow of games.  

For anyone saying Japanese games will not make a difference look at the highest selling games on the Vita, the 4th highest selling is a JRPG, Persona 4, only beaten by big exclusives Uncharted, CoD and AC.  If you look at the list these multiplatform games sell terible with the exception of a few and the JRPGs are selling pretty well and yet Sony's Third Party Production Team isn't focusing on localizing JRPGs, they are getting more multiplatform games in the form of Borderlands 2...

When you look at the PSP one of the main reasons to buy it was the huge liabrary of JRPGs that got localized and now Sony has gone in the complete opposite direction.  Localizing these games will cost very little to Sony and it makes no sense that they are not doing it.  So what do you guys think?


@Bold - BS! Vita has a constant flow of games - just check how many games are released in October and November. The problem is that these games are middle tier games, not big time games that draw a lot of attention and can sell loads of hardware. Japanese games? Yeah... Wouldn't do much, really. With a few exceptions, I don't want Japanese games all that much. Sony should bring over the best titles and the jRPGs, it would obviously be nice, but it's just an extra. I want Western games. Most Western gamers want Western games. The problem is Sony was stupid to support PS3 in 2013 instead of Vita.

Every single platform needs a year in which it gets at least 8-10 AAA big time mindblowing 1st party games + a couple of AAA 3rd party games. Every single one. PS3 needed that, 3DS needed that, Wii U needs that (and is getting it right now starting with Zelda: WW HD) and Vita is no different. It needs a lot of love in a short period of time. It needs to get an exclusive God of War, a Naughty Dog game, Infamous, Gran Turismo, another Killzone (they have the engine and assets, use them to make another game), a Patapon, 2-3 Sony 1st party RPGs (they have the IPs - Rogue Galaxy, Dark Cloud, Legend of Dragoon, etc., they can make a new one as well), maybe a Heavenly Sword 2 and a Twisted Metal (they got the engine from the PS3 - just port it and make a game) plus 2-3 new games coupled with a bunch of big 3rd party games like Bioshock Vita, MGS V spin-off, an exclusive FF game, Persona 5, Morrowind HD, another exclusive Assassin's Creed, maybe a Soul's game and GTAV: San Andreas Story and... you have a saved console. Obviously though, it all has to be released in a single year, 15 months maximum. One punch after another, so that people see they are missing out big time if they ignore the Vita. Cause as it is now, an average gamer in the West sees a big game every 5-6 months. Not much really to get excited about.

This is pretty much what Sony needs to deliver to save the Vita. It's not like it's something unique or different from other platforms. Every single platform needs such a treatment, there is no way around it, Nintendo is doing it right now with the Wii U. Can you imagine Vita not selling after getting so many games in one year? And when it starts to sell - third parties will flock to it, bacause they will see a viable market there. They will even in the West, because developing for Vita is cheaper than developing for PS3, let alone PS4! Still, the burden is on Sony to make it happen.

 

So to sum up - one simple thing Vita needs is 8-10 major 1st party AAA games in one year coupled with GTAV: San Andreas Stories. And for bloody hell just kill the PS3 1st party support...



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My Vita to-buy list: The Walking Dead, Persona 4 Golden, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, TearAway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, History: Legends of War, FIFA 13, Final Fantasy HD X, X-2, Worms Revolution Extreme, The Amazing Spiderman, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate - too many no-gaemz :/

My consoles: PS2 Slim, PS3 Slim 320 GB, PSV 32 GB, Wii, DSi.