Rate Conegamer's Reign | |||
| 10 | 81 | 70.43% | |
| 9 | 4 | 3.48% | |
| 8 | 2 | 1.74% | |
| 7 | 3 | 2.61% | |
| 6 | 0 | 0% | |
| 5 | 1 | 0.87% | |
| 4 | 0 | 0% | |
| 3 | 0 | 0% | |
| 2 | 1 | 0.87% | |
| 1 | 8 | 6.96% | |
| Total: | 100 | ||
Probably getting Super Mario World then...
Other games are just too damn expensive!
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| Captain_Yuri said: They were treated pretty badly in the sense that they asked for cds and Nintendo ignored them completely... When the Devs ask Nintendo for things, Nintendo just simply ignores them compared to their competitors like Sony, when the devs ask them for something, they give it to them... Market won't care when the games library is that different... The ps2 (look at that list) had significantly larger amount of games than the GC... The GC again, had its own caviats and the xbox had a) A smaller library of games than the ps2 but a bigger library of games than the GC and b) New console almost matched a brand that has been there for generations... That is not something that can be easily done but they did it with the help of third party games... The wii was better than the GC but the devs didn't care because it wasn't close to the ps3/360... Why would the devs care about the wii when the ps3/360 are sooo much more powerful? You need to understand that there are other platforms in the market and not just Nintendo. And yes, everyone expected Nintendo's demise cause they continue to do things with the system without listening to the third party devs... The market was changing ever since the Snes ended and Nintendo didn't care. They didn't go up to the third party devs and listen to what they wanted, they just made whatever worked for them just to be "unique" Porting to a different console doesn't cost much if the console is close to the performance of its competitors... It will cost a few million at most and its only to the big ones that require it... Only timed exclusives or third party exclusives cost a lot of money. If its a new third party friendly console, third party devs will jump on it from the geeko without any money and thats proven by the wiiU because it was promised to have plenty of third party support from various third party developers/publishers. The reason why a lot of them stopped was cause it was hard to develop for compared to the ps4/x1 because a) PowerPC, b) weak performance and c) storage space. And of course, Nintendo once again didn't approach the third party devs to ask them what they wanted from their hardware while Sony and MS asked them exactly what they wanted and gave it to them and that has been the case for many generations. If Nintendo started and really mean it, they can do it and all they would have to go is please the third parties Its not only about the OS... Its about the OS and the Api as well as the engines... They can make an engine for the handheld and later use it for the console just as easily cause all they would have to do is just update it to make it HD which wouldn't really take much effort because they already have the framework to do it. It wouldn't be a shorterm thing cause it will be used for every game... Its kind of like how the Unity engine can be used on anything from a smartphone to a ps4 to a PC but this will be even more efficient Well, those games get delayed due to various reasons but its mostly because they aim for "Realism" and other nonsense that takes a lot of effort to make which Nintendo games don't need.. Like how Drake's face uses a shit ton of polygons and other things to make him smile but those are needed cause they are going for "realism" where as Nintendo games don't go for that. Cartoony style takes a lot less effort than realism and of course, when Nintendo goes for realism like ur suggesting without any experience, they will have delays even longer than Sony/MS even with a single platform... If you think about it.. Sony and MS has done their realism thing for quite a while now yet they are still facing delays and both of them essentially makes games for a single platform so when Nintendo will try to do the same... I am pretty sure they will have even bigger delays even if they go with a single platform. Hence why third party is once again the key cause if Nintendo leaves it to the third party, then they can continue to do what they have always been doing while still getting third party games which will increase their userbase and market. Yea you didn't explain that loll. So, I don't get how thats any different than my concept? If the handheld will cost $200 and the console will cost $300, then the console will obviously be more powerful... And if its in the $300 price range, they can make it close enough to the ps5/x2 and make it third party friendly provided they don't include any gimmicks... And if they have unique stuff on both the handheld and console, then they will have to charge money for them seperately or else they will be losing money. And an unified OS is technically "one platform," its just the hardware is different which it will be if the console is $300 and the handheld is $200 provided there are no gimmicks with the console Well the thing is, it will be viewed as clones. When Sony made killzone and Resistence, many people viewed those games as clones of Halo and Gears of War even though they weren't really the same games. And they still are viewed as clones by many people and the samething will happen to Nintendo. Third parties really won't come to a console if Nintendo doesn't listen to them because they know how much influence they have. They are a bunch of cocky whores but there is nothing we can do about if we want to play Nintendo games on dedicated hardware in the future. The last thing I want to see is Nintendo go third party or completely switch to the disgusting mobile race. Don't get me wrong, I would love nothing more than to see Nintendo succeed without these bitches but what I would like even more is for Nintendo to stay in business forever so if that means that they have to please a bunch of whores, then so be it imo |
Sony gave them what they wanted because if they didn’t they would have never vindicated. They needed to break into the industry and Nintendo's missteps happened to be just what they needed!
Also, Sony had a deep pocket and Nintendo didn’t.
Nintendo felt that CDs would allow for piracy – which it did – and that it would also rise the cost of the machine which would completely go against what Nintendo was at the time: mass market product.
Ohh, it wasn’t just the number of games MS had that made it sell more than GC.
The marketing strategies probably had a lot, and I mean a lot, more to do with that then 300 games more.
GC was probably the most ostracized Nintendo console. Kiddie image full force!
As you see, 300 games more and only a few million consoles separating both? More than games, if you ask me.
“The wii was better than the GC but the devs didn't care because it wasn't close to the ps3/360... Why would the devs care about the wii when the ps3/360 are sooo much more powerful?”
Because, in the end, power doesn’t matter. They will go where they see an opportunity to make the highest profits.
Devs might think about the options provided by power, but those in charge care about making the money. That’s why they will bring games to mobile – and they already have – and no way will they bring those same games to a Nintendo console.
Wii, with it’s ease to develop system, huge success… it could have seen a lot more support because the risk was low and it still didn’t got the love it deserved.
Activision took the risk with Goldeneye and CoD and they succeeded. Others didn’t even try.
“third party devs will jump on it from the geeko without any money and thats proven by the wiiU because it was promised to have plenty of third party support from various third party developers/publishers. The reason why a lot of them stopped was cause it was hard to develop for compared to the ps4/x1”
That’s not entirely true.
Wii U might not be the easiest to develop of the 3, but devs have more than once said that it was really easy to port games to it.
A lot of what was promised didn’t come through because the system tanked right after launch. No one supports a taking system. And with that, only the devs with whom Nintendo has a good relationship tried another year, but when their games didn’t live up to expectations they had no other choice but to stop trying.
The ports might not have been perfect, but the real reason was that gamers would rather buy those same games on PS and Xbox. Just look at the difference between ZombiU and Ghosts. It’s abysmal! And we are talking about one of the greatest franchises ever versus a niche genre like Zombie games.
Also, if I remember correctly, Nintendo did listen to developers.
What Nintendo probably did was ignore that 3rd parties that asked for something that was out of reach for Nintendo’s pockets.
Ok, I see what you mean. Kinda like how Activision used the same engine in Cod for several years or how Nintendo used Mario 3D World’s engine in Captain Toad.
That’s a good solution too.
“Hence why third party is once again the key cause if Nintendo leaves it to the third party”
Nintendo has been leaving the gates open for 3rd parties for how many generations now? They will only come if there’s a market for them. It’s not 3rd parties that will create that market. That you can be sure of.
Even if realism is the next step for Nintendo, sooner or later they will have to take it and it will be safer for them to take on those bigger projects if they have to develop for one system instead of two.
They have a lot of staff that can be allocated to those projects while still making your usual Nintendo games, which be a whole lot harder to even accomplish that if they have to split their staff between two systems.
And as you said, by sharing OS and APIs, they will ease the pain on future projects.
“then they will have to charge money for them separately or else they will be losing Money”
I’m sorry for not explaining properly, then. I have talked about it so many times yet I still forgot.
If you have more people to sell to, then you can compensate those kind of losses by diluting them on the extra user base, so to speak. Heck, you can even lower the price of your games with a unified OS, APIs and more people to sell to.
That’s why Fusion is important for Nintendo’s financials: even if a game fails to break even on one console, you still have that other userbase that can help the game break even and even turn a profit.
Think of games like W101 and B2 that might risk not getting a sequel because they most likely failed to find a user base on Wii U and turn a profit.
Personally I don’t expect gimmicks this time around. I expect them to keep the gamepad, but I’m beginning to think NX might just be something more that just this idea of Fusion.
Battlefield was seen as a clone but that didn’t stop it from being a success.
If the Halo, Gears, etc, Nintendo makes is great and as good you can bet that gamers will want that game and will buy a console for that.
And if it succeeds it will do a lot more in making 3rd parties comeback than waving money or making HW that they like.
| RealGamingExpert said: Probably getting Super Mario World then... Other games are just too damn expensive! |
What about Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga?
The only two games from there are am intresting in getting: ALLTP & Super Metroid. Relatively cheap. Would get one of those Panorama things too, if I have a spare 600 stars right before CN closes.
For now, I'm waiting for yet more rewards (physical hopefully) and the return of ALBW soundtrack.
man, looks like a lot of things happened in my absence. Did something new happen on the Eshop?
And Jizz is still going strong with the debate. Man... O:
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| Cloudman said: man, looks like a lot of things happened in my absence. Did something new happen on the Eshop? And Jizz is still going strong with the debate. Man... O: |
No, European Club Nintendo got games for download, similar to what American CN has.
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No, European Club Nintendo got games for download, similar to what American CN has. |
That's good to hear. I heard often European users got the short end of the stick when it came to rewards. They deserve more if they're getting less than any other region.
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